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It doesn't hurt that there are 20-25% discount codes out there for your first year...With a little Google-work, you can really bring down the price.
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So the time has come that a Technet subscription can actually be justified? when it was just OS's I needed I had that situation handled with all the variours means availble to IT students and students in general (and believe you me I used them all,even going as far as using OS's from textbooks that you buy) but for these type of applications I guess it will have to be Technet.
I picked up my Technet subscription last August (just got the renewal notice), and I think I picked a good time to get it, since Microsoft released Server 2008 R2 and Office 2010 this year - so I got early and full access to both. I'm also hoping to get my hands on SQL Server 2008 R2 soon, though not sure about that.

You get access to pretty much most of Microsoft's software, though my particular Technet subscription lacks access to anything Windows 2000 or older Except for DOS - I can still get MS DOS 6.22, lol.

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Can you be a bit more specific when you speak of "more powerful server" when I wish to run the Terminal Services role of Server 2008? My situstion is just a home/lab environment. We never spoke at all about setting up any of the roles offered in Server 2008 (other than just making them active) for home experemential use, and Server 2008 was actually one of the classes I took on campus.

Lastly my school gave no help at all and was very negative towards any student gaining the knowledge too actually put anything on the web so I turned to "The Teacher of Today" better known as YouTube.
For a home lab environment, you don't need a stupidly expensive system to get up and running. In fact, I would suggest you look at the Dell Vostro 430 desktop system in their Small Business division. You can get a nicely packed Core i7 system with 8GB of RAM for cheap. Though you would probably have to invest in a dual- or quad-port Intel Pro network card .

You don't really need redundancy too much for a home lab, and one of these systems can run VMWare ESXi - a good virtualization option for getting started with a home lab. Others might suggest something based off of Xen, or KVM, or some such, but I think VMWare ESXi is the better way to go since it offers a relatively simple GUI for management of virtual machines. I think it's a better option than Server 2008 Hyper-V as well, because of the better memory management features. I'd just run Server 2008 as a VM to explore the other technologies...
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So for my home lab I should strive for maximum use of virtual machines (that seems to be the way business is going) which means just keyboard, monitor and the Network card at the server. Instead of buying the Dell could I use the i7 and ASUS mobo system (with 8gb) I already have? I conclude the advice for the high end processor and big ram is because we want to run at minimum 4 VM's, no sense in doing this unless I work with VM's, at least this is my reasoning.
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So for my home lab I should strive for maximum use of virtual machines (that seems to be the way business is going) which means just keyboard, monitor and the Network card at the server. Instead of buying the Dell could I use the i7 and ASUS mobo system (with 8gb) I already have? I conclude the advice for the high end processor and big ram is because we want to run at minimum 4 VM's, no sense in doing this unless I work with VM's, at least this is my reasoning.
Actually, once you get the server up and running, you can really dispense with the keyboard, mouse AND monitor

If you have a Core i7 system "sitting around", then by all means. But bear in mind that if you dedicate that system to running VMs, that's all it'll do - so it's your main system, you don't want to do that, lol.

In my experience, you'll run out of RAM before you run out of CPU resources and / or storage space.

You may also need to get a supported network card. ESX has limited network card support, but Broadcom and Intel Pro NICs are (generally) supported. The more network interfaces you can slap into the system, the more flexibility you can get. You can ultimately even run pfSense or Untangle in a VM...
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Yeah, we put two Intel 4-port Gig PCIe NICs in our ESX Server at work. Added to the two onboard Intel gig ports, it allows us to dedicate individual NICs to VMs, and still have enough left for failover.
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There could be a conflict here, first I am very excited about this VM expermenent with my i7 system BUT I would have too take it out of folding duty (which is what it is doing now) I must find a compromise.

I bought some single port NIC's and they were under 20.00 let me look around at what the 4 ports are, I think the 4 port would be good enough for this "lab".
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There could be a conflict here, first I am very excited about this VM expermenent with my i7 system BUT I would have too take it out of folding duty (which is what it is doing now) I must find a compromise.

I bought some single port NIC's and they were under 20.00 let me look around at what the 4 ports are, I think the 4 port would be good enough for this "lab".
4-port NICs aren't cheap since they are server components.



Did you install WHS for fun? Is this a trial license? Do you know about the new Windows Server "Vail" beta?
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There could be a conflict here, first I am very excited about this VM expermenent with my i7 system BUT I would have too take it out of folding duty (which is what it is doing now) I must find a compromise.
Fold SMP in a VM. You won't be able to do any gpu folding though.

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I bought some single port NIC's and they were under 20.00 let me look around at what the 4 ports are, I think the 4 port would be good enough for this "lab".
Heh - if you are comparing 4-port server NICs with $20 NICs you are in for a bit of a shock price-wise...
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Duckie, I acquired my Server 2008 OS because I take a certain group of IT courses (I have several more) The install is for "fun" as in trying to learn what I was suppose to learn in class (I am very weak on active directory) and just general familarization with Server 2008. No I have not heard of the beta version "vail" and I do get the Technet subscription, should I take a look at "vail"?

Beast, your compromise is one I was thinking of. I still have not priced the 4 port NIC's but for next semester a CISCO 5505 is in the budget so I am ready for a substancial outlay to bring my home lab up. (hope they are available).I sometimes lose direction in which way I want my lab to go (meaning storage, router configuration VM studies etc) I have part two of the DVD's if you want them, it gets way harder. For the NIC's and the router I see lots of sites when I google the router but I just do not know who to buy from.

If my school had a higher level lab and I could drive more I would not be spending money on a home lab but I must get "hands on" at some level, book experience only will not cut it. I posted on the CISCO Academy asking for advice on how to get better in my studies this summer and was told to do all my labs again (some must be done in Packet Tracer) and to try and answer other people networking questions on the CISCO site. I was advised not to be careless with my answer, too really put some thought into the solution I come up with.

Is this the $400.00 article we are talking about?http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-019-_-Product
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Duckie, I acquired my Server 2008 OS because I take a certain group of IT courses (I have several more) The install is for "fun" as in trying to learn what I was suppose to learn in class (I am very weak on active directory) and just general familarization with Server 2008. No I have not heard of the beta version "vail" and I do get the Technet subscription, should I take a look at "vail"?
You don't need TechNet for Vail - it is available in beta from MS for free anyway.

As you are a student, do wou qualify for Dreamspark? If so you can have a full licence of Server 2008, 2008 R2 and 2003 R2 for free as well - might mean you don't need to fork out for a TechNet sub just yet.

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Beast, your compromise is one I was thinking of. I still have not priced the 4 port NIC's but for next semester a CISCO 5505 is in the budjet (hope they are available). I have part two of the DVD's if you want them, it gets way harder.
Just a quick heads up on the NICs then - they are ~$400, so not something to buy at the drop of a hat. For your home lab I would instead look at a couple of dual port cards (NetXtremeII Broadcom cards are decent and cheaper), or just an older 2 or 4 port Pro/1000 MT from eBay.

To be honest I haven't really looked closely at the first DVDs yet - currently studying finance stuff in my spare time whilst working full time and moving house - no time for anything much ATM. One day I will get through the course (probably with a good bit of help) though.
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