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In regards to running , I am searching for the right word, perhaps a "console" workstation? Like in the old days, just a keyboard and a monitor but where would the ethernet cable from the server get plugged in too? perhaps a port on the monitor?

I am talking about how workstations were set up before workers had a full PC at their desk, what was used to complete the connection to the server. The goal here is to eliminate the need for a full PC at every workers desk, the way it was in the old days.
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In regards to running , I am searching for the right word, perhaps a "console" workstation? Like in the old days, just a keyboard and a monitor but where would the ethernet cable from the server get plugged in too? perhaps a port on the monitor?

I am talking about how workstations were set up before workers had a full PC at their desk, what was used to complete the connection to the server. The goal here is to eliminate the need for a full PC at every workers desk, the way it was in the old days.
Thin clients?
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Thin clients?
That's the word he wants for today.

I think the term he's thinking of from the old days is "dumb terminal", though thin clients are a bit more beefy than that.
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I will investigate "thin clients" anybody know of a source?
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There are plenty --even portable laptop-like thin clients now exist.

Wyse has a line of thin clients, I believe HP does as well, and there are others.

You can also use very basic PCs as thin clients if it works out to be cheaper for you.

EDIT: One of the few important things for using a basic PC for a client could be PXE-boot support for the onboard NIC (if you want to boot to a network-based operating system) so you probably wish to make sure you have that feature.
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thin clients brand new tend to be pretty pricey for the hardware you get. If you aren't too bothered by speed (as this is just for testing) you can usually get them very cheap from eBay however, or just build something using an Atom/Via board or similar.
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Is the thin client idea useful for business applications? That is, would an employee that is used to using a "fat client" (full on desktop PC) notice the difference if their hardware was replaced by a thin client? If the answers is yes I don't see how this will be accepted by office workers. Once the worker gets used to the benifits of using the desktop PC it will be very hard to "downgrade" them to thin clients.

I do see how security would be easier to implement with the thin client. It is just that the thin clients must offer everything that fat clients offer or I see them as just a flash in the pan.

I found the HP T5145 thin client for 133.00 and the Intel quad port pro Network Card for as you say 400.00. One vendor is selling them for 53.00 (but he has no rating) how could someone sell these for 53.00?

It is still confusing as to how much of an OS the thin client needs and at what cost this OS will be sold (perhaps the thin clients OS is included with the hardware)

With people spending 400.00+ on gpu's and mega bucks on ram it all depends on what your interest is before you lable the product prohibitly expensive. I would not spend 400.00 on a gpu but would seriously consider spending the same on the Intel Quad port. I look at it this way, what is the high end gpu going to allow me to learn?

The Mondero X Pack looks very interesting.

I am thinking of things that will get me familiar with what I will see when and if I get sent to a job site, that is my prerequisite when deciding what to buy.
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Is the thin client idea useful for business applications? That is, would an employee that is used to using a "fat client" (full on desktop PC) notice the difference if their hardware was replaced by a thin client? If the answers is yes I don't see how this will be accepted by office workers. Once the worker gets used to the benifits of using the desktop PC it will be very hard to "downgrade" them to thin clients.

I do see how security would be easier to implement with the thin client. It is just that the thin clients must offer everything that fat clients offer or I see them as just a flash in the pan.

I found the HP T5145 thin client for 133.00 and the Intel quad port pro Network Card for as you say 400.00. One vendor is selling them for 53.00 (but he has no rating) how could someone sell these for 53.00?

It is still confusing as to how much of an OS the thin client needs and at what cost this OS will be sold (perhaps the thin clients OS is included with the hardware)

With people spending 400.00+ on gpu's and mega bucks on ram it all depends on what your interest is before you lable the product prohibitly expensive. I would not spend 400.00 on a gpu but would seriously consider spending the same on the Intel Quad port. I look at it this way, what is the high end gpu going to allow me to learn?

The Mondero X Pack looks very interesting.

I am thinking of things that will get me familiar with what I will see when and if I get sent to a job site, that is my prerequisite when deciding what to buy.
The user experience will be dependent on the infrastructure and the performance of the delivery system.

Thin clients boot from the network. I've recently started deploying virtualized desktops using VMWare View. Everything runs off of one (or a bunch) of host servers on the network. You don't even need to have a hard-drive installed on the thin-client...

For general office work, there's really no real noticeable difference. You would run into issues with applications that just generally do not run well in VM - such as graphics design & CAD work. Anything that's "intense" in any way or form...
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Is the thin client idea useful for business applications? That is, would an employee that is used to using a "fat client" (full on desktop PC) notice the difference if their hardware was replaced by a thin client? If the answers is yes I don't see how this will be accepted by office workers. Once the worker gets used to the benifits of using the desktop PC it will be very hard to "downgrade" them to thin clients.
The effectiveness of thin clients depends on whether your server hardware is powerful enough and your network is adequate.

If you have a specific set of applications, thin clients can be an excellent solution. Using software solutions from Microsoft or Citrix, you can offer a solution that performs as well as full computers.

The limitation is if you have a very broad or shifting range of applications, or they are processor-intensive (like video encoding). Thin clients have their uses in a lot of areas; they just aren't a catch-all.
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Well it is very good to hear the apprasial that thin clients offer no performance degradiation over fat clients when both the server is up to the task and the applications do not exceede normal office demands (Word, Excel,perhaps PowerPoint). I am inspired to put a thin client setup in my home lab.

I never expected any real graphicaly intensive application to work out with a thin client. Setting up a group of thin clients with different user account rights will be interesting.

Any known "super good price" vendors of the hardware or am I doing fine on my own?

So now I need a few more TB storage for my Server 2008 side and a few more TB storage for my WHS side, then there is Business Server to take a look at also. I like to stay aware of what Microsoft is offering to the business community.
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