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The most noticeable increase in speed came when I replaced the original 20 G hdd w/ a Seagate 80G 7200 rpm drive. If you have a decent speed drive you can miinimize ram usage by supplying a swap partition. It's a tradeoff but it isn;t hard to find a decent balance.
Yeah, there's an 80 GB drive I can buy that would be faster, but I'd like to try Linux first to see if it's even worth considering. If Linux isn't going to do it for me, I'm going to put the laptop aside for a while until I identify a new use for it (possibly even returning it to the Linux router it was when I got it).
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Puppy is probably the easiest and it will definitely do what you want.

If you wanted to put a lot of effort into this you could install gentoo...
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I think Gentoo will be step two. First, I have to like Linux, and at the moment I'm still only curious about it. Li-curious, if you will.
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I just re-read the OP and was pleased to discover you have 192M ram. That will help a lot. Then IO noticed the CPU is a Celey 300. I don't know if the mobile version is anything like the Desktop version but that CPU almost single-handedly launched overclocking to prominence, It was almost effortless to get a 300 (running at 66MHz FSB to jump with a 100MHz setting to 450MHz, a huge increase and at only slightly increased thermals. They were, after all crippled Pentiums back then.

If you have FSB control you should try it. If thermals jump too much often you can fix this with lapping and superior thermal paste, Some systems allow for easy fan upgrade. Shoot if it were mine and the BIOS didn't have 100MHz capability, I'd try to hardwire it or use modbin to alter the BIOS. That's just way too much free MHz to ignore.

That said I'd still try the LiveCDs even at 300. I have a lot of old boxen lying around and on some Puppy doesn't work with the video. On others Slax has a hard time. Most often if one doesn't work, the other does. Thois will reveal a lot as to how much work it would be to deploy one as opposed to the other..

Again, 2 hours will reward you greatly.
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Okay, I must be doing something wrong. I'm trying to install Slax from the Live CD (this could be my first mistake), but I can't find an installer.

Before I do that, though, I'd like to format the hard drive. My laptop has only one hard drive. I mount the hard drive from within the KDE environment, open fdisk from the command line, delete the existing partition, add a new partition, and hit w to make it start, but it tells me that the drive is in use, and it can't do it until the reboot (which doesn't work). I tried it from the command line, without loading KDE, and it claimed it worked, although it said something about not being able to sync, but it didn't format the drive.

How do I format the drive and install Slax? Do I actually need to do it from the 6 CD Slackware installer? That would be stupid, considering everything I need is on the 200 MB Slax CD. What am I doing wrong?
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Okay, I must be doing something wrong. I'm trying to install Slax from the Live CD (this could be my first mistake), but I can't find an installer.
I think I mentioned before that the developers prefer people install Slackware incrementally instead but that there has been enough demand, like yours that there are tutorials.

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Before I do that, though, I'd like to format the hard drive. My laptop has only one hard drive. I mount the hard drive from within the KDE environment, open fdisk from the command line, delete the existing partition, add a new partition, and hit w to make it start, but it tells me that the drive is in use, and it can't do it until the reboot (which doesn't work). I tried it from the command line, without loading KDE, and it claimed it worked, although it said something about not being able to sync, but it didn't format the drive.
Emboldened text highlights your mistake. You not only don;t need to but you can't format a mounted drive. In Linux, mounting means mounting the filesystem not physically the drive itself. So unmount it or leave it unmounted and then partition and format. First though confirm your install plans.

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How do I format the drive and install Slax? Do I actually need to do it from the 6 CD Slackware installer? That would be stupid, considering everything I need is on the 200 MB Slax CD. What am I doing wrong?
If you prefer to use CDs as opposed to the DVD iso, you don;t need all six (6). Only three of them are Install disks. The others are Pasture, Extras, and Source iitc. Personally I'd do the DVD because it sounds like you already like Slax which is basically just a trim Slackware, easily duplicated by selection of packages at install time.

Having the DVD around is like having your own personal repository completely customized and guaranteed to not only work but be well integrated into the system w/o breaking the vanilla environment. The advantage of the vanilla environment is that you can install with proprietary installers like ATi, nVidia, Adobe, Wine, many games, etc etc as well as compile cutting edge or rarer stuff unavailable to "managed" distros.

Take a look at this although it was written for v12 the steps are exactly the same and has screenshots every step of the way

http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfec...op_slackware12

This one is more thorough but less graphic

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/i...slackware.html

Finally, this is the lesser option of installing Slax to hard drive but by no means the best or only.....just a sample

http://www.slax.org/forum.php?action=view&parentID=4456

Edit: BTW Slackware 13.1 is quite a bit newer than what's on Slax for good and for possible ill. Ig you prefer that older KDE 3.5.x desktop get v12 instead or install Slax

Edit Edit: I'm glad you seem to appreciate Slax. I though you might. It is by far my favorite LiveCD and not at all because I am an avid Slackware user because I don't do anything to SSlax default but add a few modules before burning the iso. It just works great as is, which, come to think of it, is the whole reason I love Slackware. It just works right.
Edited by enorbet2 - 6/13/10 at 12:13pm
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Yeah, I figured out the mount thing, but it took a while to confirm it because rebooting the system using the live CD takes forever and a day.

I can handle three installation CDs. My laptop has a DVD drive that's hit-and-miss with burned DVDs, but three CDs is an acceptable fallback. Slackware it is!

One last question before I get started: Is 1 GB enough for a compact Slackware installation? I want to have proper root, swap, and home partitions.
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Yeah, I figured out the mount thing, but it took a while to confirm it because rebooting the system using the live CD takes forever and a day.

I can handle three installation CDs. My laptop has a DVD drive that's hit-and-miss with burned DVDs, but three CDs is an acceptable fallback. Slackware it is!

One last question before I get started: Is 1 GB enough for a compact Slackware installation? I want to have proper root, swap, and home partitions.
Cool! While 1GB is technically enough, especially if you have separate Swap and Home partitions, LiveCDs in general and certainly Slax is slower to boot but pretty fast to run because it creates a ram drive and unpacks compressed files on-the-fly. It is not at all uncommon for a 700MB LiveCD to contain over 2GB of stuff, once uncompressed.

I'd really prefer on a system like yours that needs to keep ram available not to install this way, even if that was a trivial thing to do which it isn't. So really I'd rather see 10GB of hard drive space devoted. This not only frees ram and cpu cycles but nearly full disks/partitions are slower than ones with some free space. I think any sacrifice this might be for you will pay back many timers over, keeping you happy for a long time.

Another advantage to vanilla and possibly especially to you is that it is possible to upgrade the kernel to any version you desire right from kernel.org. IOW you are not restricted by dedicated release kernels such as w/ *nuntu's and most other distros....at the very least w/o jumping through many hoops.

Slack is simple.

Edit BTW the main reason the Slax: developers don;t officially support Slax hdd install is because it is not preferable to have to be constantly unpacking and repacking compressed files, The extra space is worth it.
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Oh yeah, I forgot to update: what I had remembered as being 10 GB hard drives are actually only 6.5 GB hard drives, and I want to keep some space on them for files. That's why I was prioritizing small distributions and a minimum of installed programs.

Windows 2000 is installed on the spare hard drive, and it takes up about 3.5 GB. That puts a bit of a squeeze on how much hard drive space I have. I think I'll give Slackware 2 GB, a 500 MB swap file, and 4 GB of storage, and see how it goes.

As for keeping RAM available: yes and no. Under Windows, I've had Messenger, CDisplay, Foxit (with multiple 50 MB+ PDFs open), Foobar, and Opera running at the same time, without really slowing down. If Slackware can't do that, then it's the wrong distribution. I understand that a lot of that is going to the swap file, which is why I'm giving it half a gigabyte, but I'm not too worried about RAM usage.

And, as a bit of good news, I no longer have a deadline for this.
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I have every confidence from experience that performance-wise Slackware will serve you best in the smallest space with the least hassle. Some may argue for Gentoo or Arch but I've tried those as well and not only is install more work to get what you want and need, but I found no appreciable performance gain and in some cases an actual loss since so much is devoted to package management.

It is my guesstimation that we are of like mind on system requirements in that I suspect you prefer a no-nonsense approach w/o being stiff. Some of this comes from analysing what you've said and admittedly some also comes from that awesome avatar which tells me that though you can chuckle at his stuffiness, you , like me find it a no-brainer as to who we'd rather serve under between Kirk and Picard.

Picard would keep us safe, respect us and not hog all the alien chiX0rrs while Kirk would step on our broken bodies to get either to a Hottie or at Khan. HaHa!

Slack will blow away Win2K w/o blinking. Just plan for what you want to install carefully.
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