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From what I understand, Slack presents you with a whole bunch of options on what you want to install, but leaves it up to you. I like that approach. When I set out my goals, that's because those are the only things I'm going to be using the laptop for in the immediate future. I don't need GIMP pre-installed, for example, because I'm just not going to use it.

I found with Slax that I had to actually disable a lot of the existing stuff just to get it where I wanted it. I don't want four desktop spaces (although it's a cool feature that I may re-enable if I discover a need for it). I don't want a ton of buttons taking up my taskbar. Again, it's great that it's a feature, but it's not what I want.

So, I'll see how it goes. It's going to take six hours to download Slackware (stupid slow internet).
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From what I understand, Slack presents you with a whole bunch of options on what you want to install, but leaves it up to you. I like that approach. When I set out my goals, that's because those are the only things I'm going to be using the laptop for in the immediate future. I don't need GIMP pre-installed, for example, because I'm just not going to use it.

I found with Slax that I had to actually disable a lot of the existing stuff just to get it where I wanted it. I don't want four desktop spaces (although it's a cool feature that I may re-enable if I discover a need for it). I don't want a ton of buttons taking up my taskbar. Again, it's great that it's a feature, but it's not what I want.

So, I'll see how it goes. It's going to take six hours to download Slackware (stupid slow internet).
How are you doing?
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The Slackware DVD just finished burning. Commencing installation!
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The Slackware DVD just finished burning. Commencing installation!
When you get a chance.... (I know you have lots of software choices to determine)

Which version of Slack ?

KDE, XFce, Fluxbos? What?
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I'm not sure. The DVD wouldn't boot, so I need to download the CDs overnight. I'll probably go with KDE at first, if only because it's what Slax used.
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I'm not sure. The DVD wouldn't boot, so I need to download the CDs overnight. I'll probably go with KDE at first, if only because it's what Slax used.
You should only need the first CD since the Installer will allow you to specify media
and you can change to the DVD. You oughta md5 it but the boot is the more delicate part and as little as you plan to install the odds are pretty good. Slow internet is such a drag. I used to feel your pain and still remember. Now I'm smokin up the place.
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Slight roadblock. My laptop still doesn't recognize the DVD. I've reburned it, but before I try it out, is it possible to copy the files to a USB drive, from Windows, without having to reformat the drive? I don't need it bootable, I just need Slackware to recognize that the files are on it and continue the installation that started with disk one.

Edit: I bit the bullet and downloaded the other CDs.
Edited by MrDeodorant - 6/15/10 at 8:18am
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Man! Talk about "insult to injury"! Has this failure to read DVDs been an ongoing problem? I recently learned that DVD drives have two separate laser "heads" one for CDs and another for DVDs. So it is possible the DVD subsystem has gone south. Less likely but possible is it's just dirty. Thankfully it isn't the drive controller since CDs do still work.

FWIW Yes it is possible to put the data essentially anywhere your PC can "see" whether internally or externally. The only problem could be how Linux sees it, what designation. - /dev/sdb, /dev/sr0 whatever. Thankfully Slackware installer asks if you have the media in an alternate place and allows one to designate where that is as well as scan for it. IIRC since Linux deals not in drives but mounted filesystems it will discover any drive that has the right package list as if it were the CD.

Hopefully the CDs solve all obstructing issues and the rest will be just normal deatils of knowing what you want like how you want to install the bootloader(s) either Grub or Lilo (default). If you're not using a 3rd party loader it'll have to go to MBR but if you play it safe and install to root, notice that the installer stops very quickly at a command line where you can handle maintenance or handoff root assignment - which to boot and gives good examples right there.

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It looks like Slackware is on hold for another night. I can't figure out how to make it install into a small enough package, so I need to go buy the larger hard drive, which won't be until tomorrow.

I'm starting to get frustrated a bit with the installer. I was installing it without an internet connection and without documentation at hand (there's a long and boring explanation as to why that was), so I didn't know what each package really was or how much space it took up. I first tried installing it with the method that lets you choose each package, but I was essentially accepting or rejecting them blindly. I didn't know how much space each package took up, or what it did beyond a small description. It was only at the actual installation that I got a proper description of them all and their size. Doing it that way, the first CD had filled 90% of the allotted space.

The second time, I installed using the newbie method. This gives you a description of each item and its size, but you have to sit there and babysit it! You choose or reject each package at the time of installation (no wonder it claimed it would take a year). What's worse, it doesn't give you a tally of how much space has been used so far or how many items remain!

I'm very unhappy with this installer (apparently I just went from 'starting to get a bit frustrated' to very unhappy, but venting is therapeutic). I'd be content with the newbie installer if it let me choose my packages before running the installation and gave me a tally of how much of the available space had been used. But wait, there's more!

I'm installing this to a Celeron 300 (although it gets detected as 399 MHz, so I may not even know my own hardware as well as I thought I did). Why in the world is it installing SMP kernels? The description says that they're for multi-threaded or multi-CPU systems. Either the description is lacking detail, or I'm getting stuff installed unnecessarily. Either way, I'm not happy about it. I could possibly work around it by installing just the kernels the first time, deleting the unwanted ones, and then deleting everything else, but I shouldn't have to. Am I doing something wrong? Would I have had the option if I had installed with the expert method and been more aggressive about trimming packages?

The question is sort of moot, because the larger hard drive will give me all the space I need, but it's just an example of the sort of issue I've had with this project (I don't come here for help with everything, just the stuff that's really giving me trouble).

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Man! Talk about "insult to injury"! Has this failure to read DVDs been an ongoing problem? I recently learned that DVD drives have two separate laser "heads" one for CDs and another for DVDs. So it is possible the DVD subsystem has gone south. Less likely but possible is it's just dirty. Thankfully it isn't the drive controller since CDs do still work.
I know it's read burned DVDs in the past. I burned to a different brand of DVD, and it hummed and hawwed for a while before deciding it wouldn't read or boot from it, but then it refused to boot from CD for about ten minutes, at which point I gave it my number two glare and it returned to proper function. I'll test it properly when I have an OS on it.

Incidentally: what are Prototype files for the X window manager (am I saying that right? I'm going from memory.)? There are a bunch of them on the installer, but I don't know if that's a weird way of saying beta or source files, or if Prototype means something special in Linux terminology (a program, or file type, or any number of things, for example).

Thanks for all your help, by the way.
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I'll write more soon and respond to the whole last post but for now you might wish to look at this - it's sort of half way between Slax and Slackware -

http://www.salixos.org/wiki/index.php/Home

FWIW I understand that there are a lot of steps to building a completely custom system and that even the step-by-step w/ pictures is of little use when you are installing w.o them handy. As you said this is moot once you have the new drive and it is way easier to trim fat than build from scratch/

Hoping things go well tomorrow and/or you like Salix.
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