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Introduction:

Hello OCN,

I was recently referred to this site by Skbzi, and am in dire need of information and knowledge from the experienced members of OCN. I registered yesterday and this is officially my first post on OCN. With that said, stated below are the current components for my first build. My budget stands around 900-1100 Dollars.



Reason/Purpose:

- Experience
- Jumping on the bandwagon of Modern Technology
- Slight Gaming
- Optimization of College Related Software
- Viewing of HD Media
- etc, etc.


Components:

1. CPU: i7 875k
2. MoBO: Asus Sabertooth 55i (Open Box)
3. SSD: Corsair Nova
4. HDD: Samsung Spinpoint 1TB
5. RAM: Mushkin Enhanced Redline
6. GPU: Sapphire 5770
7. Case: Lancool K-62
8. PSU: Seasonic 620
9. HSF: Megahalems/Cogage Arrow/Noctua D-14


Questions:

1.) What is the "best" (yes, the best is a very vague statement) 5770 or should I say, the most optimal and compatible 5770 GPU for this specific build and budget?

2.) What Heatsink shall I purchase between the Megahalem and the Venomous X, or is there a more commendable alternate?

3.) I am looking to spend around $140-160 for a motherboard, is the Asus Sabertooth 55i a relatively fair choice?


Evaluation Request:

I would like to request the members of OCN to evaluate my current build, comment on the components, and state alternative routes to achieve a more price-power worthy solution.

Thank you everybody, I look forward to ya'alls responses.

to Mods: I apologize if this was posted in the wrong section.

~ Guyden2
Edited by Guyden2 - 6/16/10 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by Guyden2 View Post
Introduction:

Hello OCN,

I was recently referred to this site by Skbzi, and am in dire need of information and knowledge from the experienced members of OCN. I registered yesterday and this is officially my first post on OCN. With that said, stated below are the current components for my first build. My budget stands around 900-1100 Dollars.


Components:

http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/Sh...px?Submit=view

I am going to purchase the CPU from Microcenter for $200 + Tax.


Questions:

1.) What is the "best" (yes, the best is a very vague statement) 5770 or should I say, the most optimal and compatible 5770 GPU for this specific build and budget?

2.) What Heatsink shall I purchase between the Megahalem and the Venomous X, or is there a more commendable alternate?

3.) I am looking to spend around $140-160 for a motherboard, is the Asus Sabertooth 55i a relatively fair choice?


Evaluation Request:

I would like to request the members of OCN to evaluate my current build, comment on the components, and state alternative routes to achieve a more price-power worthy solution.

Thank you everybody, I look forward to ya'alls responses.

to Mods: I apologize if this was posted in the wrong section.

~ Guyden2
First off, welcome to OCN, your post seems VERY mature for a newcomer.
#1) The best 5770 would probably be the MSI R5770 Hawk, cards with this MSI cooler are known to be AMAZING.
#2) Get a Megahalems and 2 Gentle Typhoon AP-15's (1850 RPM)
#3) The Sabertooth looks very nice, although I don't know how it compares to the Maximus III Gene, it should be the winner due to the extra $10.

EDIT: The link sends us to the shopping cart, which we can't see because other people than you shop on Newegg, make a wishlist than insert the items into said wishlist
    
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Turbohertz:

Thanks for the advice man, I will certainly take it into consideration. I appreciate the complement; however, I feel as though I still need quite a bit of time in the oven.

I closed Firefox and ran CCleaner to clear all history, etc........thus, I lost my cart; however, I sent it to myself through email, so I copied them and posted them in my first post. Thanks for the heads up.
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Looks solid to me!
EDIT: Who +REP'ed you? Things like getting Rep for posts like this (which don't deserve it) kinda annoys me.
    
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My only concern with the Sabertooth is that it doesn't have USB3 or Sata3. If you aren't going to X-fire or SLI, an Asus p7p55d-e (or pro) might be a more future-proof pick (of course, if you like that ceramic coating...)
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Venomous X, although their performance is basically equal, pick whichever one looks better

GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD4P LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 $170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128409

Edit: You could easily get a cheaper motherboard/ram, and probably have enough to get the 80gb Intel SSD.
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Update 6/13/2010:

Purchased the i7 875k from Microcenter today.

Please recommend the best motherboard between an Asus Sabertooth 55i, an EVGA P55 LE, and an EVGA p55 SLI for the i7 875k; I am looking to overclock it to 4.0 GHz with air-cooling.
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Originally Posted by Guyden2 View Post
Update 6/13/2010:

Purchased the i7 875k from Microcenter today.

Please recommend the best motherboard between an Asus Sabertooth 55i, an EVGA P55 LE, and an EVGA p55 SLI for the i7 875k; I am looking to overclock it to 4.0 GHz with air-cooling.
I would say ASUS over EVGA. ASUS/Gigabyte are the best motherboard makers right now.
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1. I believe the MSI 5770 Hawk is the best 5770; or, at least, it's the most recommended when "5770" + "performance" meet a "?". If you're going to OC your GPU, try to get one with a voltage regulator so you can tweak the voltages. I don't know if the MSI Hawk has a voltage regulator since my MSI 260 GTX does not...

2. For air cooling, I usually defer people to this site for their massive comparisons. Keep in mind that chips with different architectures/core locations cool differently with different coolers, and BMR now tests with the 6 core 980X. I believe the Megahalems has a stock fan whereas the Venomous-X does not. If you don't plan on replacing the stock fan(s), then consider that a hidden cost.

3. For motherboards, first decide if you want to SLI or X-fire at all because you don't want to get a mobo that runs the x16 PCI-Es at 4x with 2 GPUs or poor PCI-E x16 spacing. Then, if you want to OC, look for mobos with good heatsinks and, let's say, at least 12 VRMs (VRM heatsink too). Finally, you should consider all the optional features that various motherboards have and decide if you will ever use any of them. Most extra features aren't worth caring about IMO.

Some tips...

1. If you can, wait for deals. You will know it's a deal because you will see the price and then realize "holy crap, cheap!" To that end, I'd check the first page of this forum's Deals section once every 24 hours, and maybe subscribe to a few e-tailer's newsletters. Patience is rewarded if you can spare some.

2. To the tune of #1: buy open box. Returned, dented box, or otherwise repackaged merchandise should sell for a good 20-40% cheaper than "regular", and the items should be tested before repackaging if the e-tailer is any good and still have a valid warranty. Recertified items should only have a limitted warranty though... You can usually get something one notch greater than the item you had originally planned on with Open Box pricing. For starters, check newegg's Open Box GPUs (I usually sort by highest price ) and motherboards. The GPUs usually sell like hot cakes with limited supply, but the good ones are replenished often enough. From what I've seen, newegg offers most of their mid-range motherboards as Open Box items too, but you should set a price range and shop between manufacturers.

3. A common trend is to cheap out (just a bit!) on some parts when the opportunity presents itself so that the GPU budget will be greater. Just never cheap out on PSU or you might blow your whole rig one day.

4. Budget in (or out) your OS, monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, sound card (optional), and headset too!

Feedback:

RAM: I would recommend cheaper $100 RAM. Frankly, there's usually little difference between 4, 6, or 8GB of DDR3-1333, 1600, or 2000 at CAS 6, 7, 8, or 9 unless you use converting or editting software and compiling or other programming software. 6 GB may be required for virtual machines. Having said that, the price difference between 1333 CAS9 and 1600 CAS7 is comparatively small, so an extra $10-20 might be worth the e-peen. The exception is OCZ, and rightfully so--as a new PC builder, investigate OCZ's failure rates and ask yourslef if they worth the gamble. I would usually recommend G. Skill's ECO CAS7 because it's competitively priced, but it seems that G. Skill's Ripjaws (blue) CAS7 can be had for $99 shipped with the promo code "EMCYTZY34" for for the next few days. The only real difference between the pair is their rated voltage (1.50V is standard), which should give the ECOs greater potential scalibility to DDR3-2000+.

SDD: For an OS SDD, the most important figures are random read times and access times. I don't know much about SSDs, but I do know that the Intel X-25M is very good as too are Sandforce controllers.

HDD: Decent 1TB HDD drives are going on sale for $30-40. Consider it, though the Samsung F3 will be a bit faster.

DVD Drive: Might as well go 24X for an extra dollar .

Case and PSU combo: Usually I can pick out better or cheaper parts individually than a newegg combo, but this one is good.

Case: For cases, you usually want a good arrangement of fans, cable management, hole behind CPU for quick backplate removal, black interior (preference), unique little design bonuses, clearance for CPU cooler, side panel window or mesh grill compromise, and of course a prefered look. The PC-K62 has all that. Cheaper cases with some potential compromises include NZXT M59 ($45 shipped after MIR), Apevia X-Jupiter ($40 shipped after $25 MIR), and Raidmax Quantum ($60 shipped after $10 MIR). Notice what all of those suggestions have in common? Free shipping.

PSU: The average user probably knows the least about PSUs. The Seasonic M12II 620 is actually a good one though; however, the Antec TruePower New 650 is a better performer and only $75 shipped (after $25 MIR). Either PSU should be enough to accomodate at least a second 5770, or perhaps a higher-powered next gen single GPU rig when the next gen happens. Another good deal from newegg is this non-modular Antec Neo Eco 520 for $52 shipped after promo code "bigsave20". Should still be enough for a second 5770. The best value and decent PSU that can run your system should be the Corsair CX-400 for $30 shipped (after $20 MIR). The CX 400 might be $20 after MIR in the Deals section some where.

Good luck!
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RAM: I would recommend cheaper $100 RAM. Frankly, there's usually little difference between 4, 6, or 8GB of DDR3-1333, 1600, or 2000 at CAS 6, 7, 8, or 9 unless you use converting or editting software and compiling or other programming software. 6 GB may be required for virtual machines. Having said that, the price difference between 1333 CAS9 and 1600 CAS7 is comparatively small, so an extra $10-20 might be worth the e-peen. The exception is OCZ, and rightfully so--as a new PC builder, investigate OCZ's failure rates and ask yourslef if they worth the gamble. I would usually recommend G. Skill's ECO CAS7 because it's competitively priced, but it seems that G. Skill's Ripjaws (blue) CAS7 can be had for $99 shipped with the promo code "EMCYTZY34" for for the next few days. The only real difference between the pair is their rated voltage (1.50V is standard), which should give the ECOs greater potential scalibility to DDR3-2000+.
I'm building a i7-875K build also.
I will first off say that I barely know anything about RAM except lower timing is theoretically better. I have a couple questions regarding the RAMs you posted.
1) I barely know anything about volts except 1.5 V is standard. According to Newegg, G. Skill's ECO CAS7 has a voltage of 1.35. What does this reported voltage mean? According to reviews I saw, to get CAS 7 timing and 1600, they had to raise it up to 1.4-1.5V. Are there any side-effects to this increase in voltage?
2) Similarly, G. Skill's Ripjaws (blue) CAS7 has listed voltage of 1.65V, and people have achieved CAS 7 with 1.6-1.65. While these are higher voltages compared to the ECO version, they remain at the listed voltage. Is this better for being within reported parameter, or worse for being at a higher voltage in general?

I appreciate the help, and the listing of the ECO RAM.


On a slightly different topic, since you're debating on what cooling to get, what about thermal paste/ceramique/ or whatever it's called. What would be the best to use?


PS. my spec is looking to be i7-875K, ASUS P7P55D-E Pro, CM Hyper 212, XFX Radeon 5770 (on sale when I got), and CM 690 II or PC-K62 Case, Corsair HX 650W
Edited by quidproqu0 - 6/13/10 at 11:59pm
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