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Originally Posted by blupupher View Post
Well, they did not say dead, but they are definitely going behind HTML5.

MS: "the future of the web is HTML5".

Google: "it's not just Apple, Google hates Flash too" (not the best example, but there are others, like Google now doing HTML5 on youtube, they know Flash is dying).
Of course the future of the web is HTML5. What else would it be? HTML4?

That doesn't mean Flash is dieing, it just means that the uses are getting more specialised. Everyone and their mum used to make Flash sites, but people had cottoned on to the fact that HTML4 was better. Nowadays, the sites that use flash are usually very well made.

For example, this site could never be done in HTML5: http://waterlife.nfb.ca/

Then, they realised that HTML and stuff like PHP was better for search index optimization and the like, so they used HTML a lot more.

Even now, most of the things you can do with games with Flash simply can't be done with HTML5.

Remember that Google don't hate Flash, they've actually just included it in Chrome by default to improve the browsing experience in that way.

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Originally Posted by Coma View Post
Is Adobe TRYING to lose market share?

It can be. All it takes is for a site like YouTube to stop supporting Flash and all browsers will support their chosen format, and every user will switch to a modern version of their browser (or another browser).
Google won't stop using Flash or an alternative until HTML5 is at least a verifiable standard, ie is not merely a draft. That's not scheduled for another few years.

At the moment, if Google said they wouldn't use Flash and would only use H.264 HTML5 (as they do at the moment in the HTML5 beta), they'd be cutting out about 85% of visitors.

Also, market share? What do you mean? Flash is installed on 99% of computers, and it comes with Google Chrome as compulsory.

Contrary to what you might think, the Linux x64 crowd is a lot less than that 1% of people, and removing this beta won't hurt most.
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Anyone have a file host? We can throw the former current beta release up on it just in case.
    
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Anyone have a file host? We can throw the former current beta release up on it just in case.
Its in the Arch repository:

http://www.archlinux.org/packages/ex...4/flashplugin/
    
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For example, this site could never be done in HTML5: http://waterlife.nfb.ca/
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I have no idea if it can or not, but I will take your word for it.
But 12 seconds for the flash to load (on a pretty fast connection), then figuring out exactly what the page is about and navigating around it is a pain in Flash. Where is the non-flash version?
Is it cool, sure, is it practical, no. Just because you can do something does not mean you should.

Oh, and I could not view that page on Opera USB at work, since I need to install flash on the computer itself for Flash to work with Opera (and Firefox portable) I have to use IE (which has flash 9.x), since I am locked out of installing anything on this computer.
If there was a built in interface in the browser itself I could, but since Flash does not allow that (not sure of all the details with that) I can't.

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Don't be surprised if the next version of flash allows you to cross compile your content into an HTML5 canvas element.

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So basically if you have Flash installed, it uses that, if not, it uses HTML5? If it was automatic for developers, it would be nice, and for users they would not be able to tell the difference.
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So basically if you have Flash installed, it uses that, if not, it uses HTML5? If it was automatic for developers, it would be nice, and for users they would not be able to tell the difference.
No, they should be able to generate code that can be used with HTML5's canvas element. Think of it as typing out a document in Word, and then exporting to PDF.


If they can convert into to Objective C then canvas should be child's play.
    
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I have no idea if it can or not, but I will take your word for it.
But 12 seconds for the flash to load (on a pretty fast connection), then figuring out exactly what the page is about and navigating around it is a pain in Flash. Where is the non-flash version?
Is it cool, sure, is it practical, no. Just because you can do something does not mean you should.
Once you've worked out how to use it, it's artistically beautiful and perfectly usable. Personally, I worked it out instantly, and the load time wasn't bad for me. It kept me more engaged with the content since there were additional interactive elements, and the information was relevant.

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Oh, and I could not view that page on Opera USB at work, since I need to install flash on the computer itself for Flash to work with Opera (and Firefox portable) I have to use IE (which has flash 9.x), since I am locked out of installing anything on this computer.
Isn't that Opera's fault? Chrome manages to include Flash just fine (even portable Chrome, I think).

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If there was a built in interface in the browser itself I could, but since Flash does not allow that (not sure of all the details with that) I can't.
Chrome has a built-in interface in the browser.
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post #28 of 42
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No, they should be able to generate code that can be used with HTML5's canvas element. Think of it as typing out a document in Word, and then exporting to PDF.


If they can convert into to Objective C then canvas should be child's play.
I have no idea what that means. But basically it will work if it has Flash or supports HTML5.

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Originally Posted by Cepheus View Post
Once you've worked out how to use it, it's artistically beautiful and perfectly usable. Personally, I worked it out instantly, and the load time wasn't bad for me. It kept me more engaged with the content since there were additional interactive elements, and the information was relevant.
I should not have to "work it out" though. Everybody likes different things though, so no biggie.


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Isn't that Opera's fault? Chrome manages to include Flash just fine (even portable Chrome, I think).



Chrome has a built-in interface in the browser.
Not sure. I thought Flash was not allowed to be "bundled" with the browser and had to be downloaded as a separate element?
Just tried Chrome Portable (did not know that existed), that page did the same as with Opera (just a little pic of the earth in the upper left corner), so no built in Flash with that.
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They realize Flash is dying AS A VIDEO CONTAINER. I don't think any of them are dumb enough to say that HTML5 (in it's current form) can completely replace Flash in everything that it does...

Apple just doesn't like it because it runs like crap on Macs. Well guess what, so do games (Steam included). Who's fault is it? All I know is Microsoft doesn't seem to have any problems running Flash content.
Say that to 25% GPU usage on a 9800GT, when streaming it via a normal player stays under 5%... (The Dark Knight 1080p trailer, measured using eVGA Precision)

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And you honestly think that's going to happen overnight? Youtube only stopped supporting IE6 a few months ago.
And even then, you can still use it if you say "Yeah, yeah, its fine, I know its not supported"

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Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro View Post
It's cause Adobe can't code their way out of a paper bag, in 32bit, let alone 64bit.
This, the CPU usage was horrible on 32bit and 64bit Linux with flash! It maxed out an Atom playing 480p video.
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Not sure. I thought Flash was not allowed to be "bundled" with the browser and had to be downloaded as a separate element?
Just tried Chrome Portable (did not know that existed), that page did the same as with Opera (just a little pic of the earth in the upper left corner), so no built in Flash with that.
Chrome Portable is not the newest version of Chrome, necessarily, it depends when they built it, and it's built from Chromium, whilst Chrome has a few extra bits in, like H.264

I'm not totally sure whether it would be in there, but from a quick google it seems as if it would be.

Try downloading Chromium (latest build) and just extract it to a USB pen. There's no installer. For all I know, it'd work.
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