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Tomshardware reviews the ASUS. This is what they said:
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In terms of a 3D solution, the Crossfire Xpress 3200 and a pair of Radeon X1900XTX graphics cards is the best performing team money can buy today.
Also, you can grab one at NewEgg and ZipZoomFly.
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Good lord... that is one expensive motherboard (for me at least, I'm poor )
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Originally Posted by Melcar
Good lord... that is one expensive motherboard (for me at least, I'm poor )
Yeah, it is a lot of money to dish out for a motherboard, but there is yet another review, from HotHardware, that has this to say:
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When all was said and done we hit an impressive 340MHz, which is the highest overclock we've seen with any Socket 939 based motherboard.
I am very impressed so far. I cannot wait to see what DFI does with this thing.
Honestly, I have never seen so many publications unanimously love a product like this. And this is paired with the ULi chipset, wait until ATI releases SB600. The RD580 by itself is kickass. If SB600 is anything like the RD580, I am sure ATI will have hot that nail square on the head; I mean, I cannot imagine how this thing will do paired with a matching chipset.
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HardOCP takes a look at the Asus A8R32. Once again, these are the words spoken by the reviewers:
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I would not hesitate to use the A8R32-MVP Deluxe in my own system as it is simply a great product. If you are building a CrossFire gaming system, the ASUS A8R32-MVP Deluxe is the motherboard to own.
Honestly, I think it is completely safe for us to really start recommending CrossFire over SLi. It is hard to beat CrossFire now, considering that two 7800GTX 512 cards cost more than a X1900XT/X CrossFire setup, and they perform worse. Sure, the 7900GTX is coming out, but supposedly it will only be about 5-10% faster than the 7800GTX 512. That leaves it pretty much tied with the CrossFire setup graphics wise, but now the CrossFire setup will overclock higher.
I am loving how the market is balancing out. That is always good for consumers.
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Legion Hardware has a go at the A8R32.
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Right off the bat I was able to achieve a 280MHz FSB using a 9x multiplier, giving a total frequency of 2.52GHz. The board was also able to handle a 320MHz FSB with reasonably limited cooling in place. However, this was about the limit of both my processor and the cooling setup. Nevertheless, this overclock was quickly achieved and I am sure with more time available, bigger numbers could have been achieved.
Overclockers rejoice! I am loving these reviews. Not only does this chipset support AM2 now (Meaning it can be implemented immediately into AM2 motherboards); it is compatible with the SB600, which will hopefully perform better than its ULi M1575 counterpart. If the SB600 is to the SB450 as the Xpress3200 is to the Xpress200, I think it is safe to assume that ATI will have its Southbridge problems ironed out.
Bring on the boards DFI and Abit.
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this looks very promising *Timmay saves up money *
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I think one of those will be my next board come this summer...
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HKEPC.com has the first review of the DFI RD580. (It is in Chinese, so the translation is below. It is ordered in blocks of text similar to the text layout on their page.)

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Dual X16 CrossFire - RD580DFI the Xpress 3,200 main engines boards are taken to the threshing ground the article: Thunder handsome @X16 Fever 2



The ATi official announcement promotes generation of newest AMD CrossFire platform Xpress 3,200, its cartography connection by the former generation double x8 promotion to double x16 PCI-E Lanes, the transmission frequency width enhancement reaches a time, actually are the Xpress 3,200 platforms whether the CrossFire technology bring in the potency the promotion! ? The editorial department looks for DFI LanParty the CFX3200 project sample to contrast the former generation RD480 platform.


The ATi plan vigorously develops the chip group enterprise, estimated the cartography chip income proportion will account for the overall income to drop to approximately 58% level.

ATi in 06 years on March 2 officially issued its new generation of AMD K8 CrossFire platform --- Xpress 3,200 (product code number is RD580), and held the Xpress 3,200 products release conferences to Taibei, at the meeting ATi chip group market department Manager William Tsao had disclosed ATi will put in more resources at the chip group enterprise, according to the material demonstrated ATi in the past 3 years gross income, mainly will be take draws a chart chip GPU as main, reached as high as above the overall income threes of four. But ATi will be able to push to multiplex in 06 years the product, chip group Chipset will be able by formerly only to occupy the whole 1,/10, expected the promotion to 5分之, the new product promoted the cycle also to be able the comparatively former frequency to be dense.
(There was some weird stuff in this paragraph that would not translate.)

According to William Tsao indicated that, the ATi chip group market share reached 3 times in the past 12 months growths, main growth lay in main OEM and the SI market, including HP, FSC and Acer was glad uses their product, lay in ATi according to William Tsao minute booklet its main superiority to have the integrity the product line, by Intel to AMD, Deesktop to extremely was all complete Notebook, Intergrated and Discrete, Vaule to Enthusiast, this was in the market other matches cannot compare. But ATi will be able to attack the AMD platform market with all one's strength, expected will strive for AMD the PCI-E platform approximately 50% market share.

ATi ︰ RD580 is only true double x16 the PCI-E platform! ?

ATi Xpress 3,200 will support double x16 the PCI-E cartography connection technology, will reduce because the frequency width drop to create the transmission the bottleneck

New generation of ATi CrossFire platform Xpress 3,200, its chip code number is RD580, contrasts former generation's main improvement to lie in on its cartography connection, former generation RD480 has used the X8 + x8 cartography connection design, when uses the sole indicator may group synthesize x8 + x8 PCI-E the Lanes PCI-E the x16 cartography connection, but under the CrossFire pattern, may establish two group of PCI-E the x8 cartography connection, but each group of connections frequency width is more normal than PCI-E x16 to reduce half to have 2GB/s.

But new generation of RD580 constructs 22 PCI-E by the former generation in the Lanes large promotion to the promotion to 40PCI-E, therefore it may promote the integrity x16 + the x16 cartography connection, under the CrossFire pattern, each group of connections frequency affable normal PCI-E cartography meets equally is 4GB/s, reduces creates the material transmission because of the frequency width drop the bottleneck, -odd under x8 PCI-E Lanes may compose 4 group of PCI-E the x1 connection, -odd next 4 PCI-E Lanes serves as with the south bridge transmission connection, is called ALink 2 Interface, only provides 2 PCI-E Lanes compared to former generation RD480 ALink the Interface frequency width promotion to reach 1 time.

Regarding nVidia already issued double x16 the SLi platform, ATi actually expressed it certainly cannot be true double x16 the SLi platform, according to William Tsao expressed RD580 double PCI-E the x16 cartography connection completely constructs by the northern bridge chip in, therefore between two piece of indicators material transmissions may complete in the chip, but nVidia double x16 SLi is south the penetration the bridge bridge respectively has group of PCI-E the x16 cartography connection to become, therefore between two piece of indicators like must penetrate the PCI-Express connection transmission, then needs to penetrate north its south bridge the transmission frequency to be wide, although the nVidia north and south bridge communication frequency width uses the superiority 16Bit 1GHz Hyper-Transport, But this transmission frequency width draws a chart the connection to monopolize by no means, in addition south the bridge supports many parts also simultaneously to take the frequency widely, has taken the partial frequency band and creates the nonessential detention (Latency), by no means true Dual x16 PCI-E perfect overhead construction, therefore only then met the partial test to appear double x16 also to want compared to double x8 the disappointing to be fearful phenomenon.



ATi expresses match C51D + CK804 by no means true double x16 the PCI-E platform, all because between the north and south bridge has made the bottleneck



CrossFire further will popularize



According to William Tsao indicated that, the ATi RD580 appearance certainly is not for substitute for former generation RD480, they will be able to coexist to the market (Some error in translator here) Taiwan fixes a price by $,150 US dollars to $,240 US dollars between, RD480 then will be able to enter the mainstream market to replace has not supported CrossFire RS480, the selling price by $70 US dollars to $,130 US dollars between, further will decrease the CrossFire platform threshold to hope ATi the double indicator coordination operation technology to speed up the popularization. In addition, a Taiwan merchant disclosed ATi will be able between RD580 and RD480, promotes the RD550 model again, it will be Pin to Pin compatible RD580, but its cartography connection will turn x16 + x8 by RD580 double x16, the merchant estimated this batch of RD550 will be the RD580 disappointment, temporarily will promote the date to be undecided.
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Dual X16 CrossFire - RD580DFI the Xpress 3,200 main engines boards are taken to the threshing ground the article: Thunder handsome @X16 Fever 2



The ATi official announcement promotes generation of newest AMD CrossFire platform Xpress 3,200, its cartography connection by the former generation double x8 promotion to double x16 PCI-E Lanes, the transmission frequency width enhancement reaches a time, actually are the Xpress 3,200 platforms whether the CrossFire technology bring in the potency the promotion! ? The editorial department looks for DFI LanParty the CFX3200 project sample to contrast the former generation RD480 platform.

The ultra frequency assigns the thing: DFI LanParty CFX3200



Specially to designs the ultra frequency user machine board since ABit some engineer transferred to DFI, the DFI main engine board turns the ultra frequency to play family's only choice, the major part 3DMark ultra frequency record all is as if system creates by DFI the LanParty, obviously this Engineer's milk O what kind was deep, but played the families also the Xpress 3,200 main engines anodes which promoted to DFI is the anticipation.

North dismantles the bridge chip radiator, we may see RD580 the true body, because in our hand DFI LanParty CFX3200 is the project sample relations, On the chip model or is engraved the Xpress 300 models but non- 3,200, Although in the RD580 chip constructs reaches as high as 40 PCI-E Lanes, In but the K8 chip group certainly does not need to construct the memory body controller South simultaneously does not have to construct the bridge valve □ (Strange error here too.) But because in constructs the cartography core actually to make Die Size also to have compared to RD580 huge, therefore the production cost is also cheap.

According to ATi expressed the RD580 chip completely aims at the ultra frequency in the design to use the family but under the milk The RD580 specification surmounts the K8 chip group general demand, Has not added the voltage in normal 1.2V in the situation, May guarantee the chip group movement to the 16Bit 1.5GHz Hyper-Transport level, Compared to the is normal specification to outdo 50%, when will enhance the Hyper-Transport speed to be able to be 1:1 promotion interior arteries, In addition PCI-Express lies between 1 also may operate to the 3.5GHz level, Compared to the is normal specification to outdo 40%, therefore ATi will have confidence ATi Xpress 3,200 to be able very much to become the ultra frequency to play family's educational toy. According to DFI expressed RD580 really is can let the ultra frequency play the family to display the ON potential the stage, but project sample because not yet completes BIOS the ultra frequency design trimming, Therefore certainly has not provided the ultra frequency the option, The estimate officially produces goods in March to the after ten-day period time, Will be able to see DFI LanParty CFX3200 (Last part of sentence
screwed up.)




South the bridge uses ULi M1575


ATi although has oneself the south bridge chip, but the merchant actually deviation uses south the ULi third party the bridge, all because in the south bridge manufacture technology obviously ATi or compared to the ULi backwardness, in addition many merchants has the retention to the ATi south bridge performance, for example USB often appears takes has dealt with the high issue, the bridge has not the good impression with the family to ATi oneself south. RD580 might match 撘 south oneself SB450 the bridge perhaps by ULi south the production M1575 third party the bridge, although two similarly will have 8 USB 2.0 connections, supports 4 IDE Channel and 4 SATA connection, the sound effect also will promote to support High Definition Audio to provide 32Bit the 192kHz 8 sound tracks sounds effect, but ATi IXP 450 actually only will support SATA 1.5GHz and RAID 0, at the same time 1 pattern certainly does not support NCQ valve quickly A in not to construct Ethernet MAC and so on, but south ULi M1575 the bridge not merely will support SATA 3.0 and RAID 0, 1, will have high step RAID 0+1 and the RAID 5 patterns, And supports ACHI and NCQ in valve quickly A constructs 10/,100 Ethernet MAC valve quickly A in the difference only approximately 1-2 Dollar situation, really is has not selected SB450 the reason.

But ATi must rely on south ULi the bridge also essential to consider takes a paragraph, because nVidia has officially purchased ULi, And the explanation cannot again be ATi produces M1575 to continue after the product, but M1575 also only can supply goods to the future which may meet (the nVidia foreign view) South therefore future ATi or will have diligently to improve the bridge performance, indicated according to the ATi road map, (Another refusal to translate.) Hopes SB600 to be possible to as soon as to wash with the family to ATi south the bridge bad impression.

There is a chart here with blue on the left and red on the top. It compares South Bridges.

DFI LanParty CFX3200 caters to plays the family taste

DFI Lan Party CFX3200 has also joined many extra valves quickly A for example four group of SATAII connection which constructs except the south bridge in, also constructs on the main engine board has Silicon Image chip Provides the extra four group of SATA hard disk connection, and provides Raid 0, Raid 1 and Raid 0 + 1 and so on the pattern.

The sound effect aspect has used 模組 the type design, 模組 on has used Realtek ALC882 HD the Codec chip, can provide 7.1 + 2 sound tracks 32Bit the 192kHz high innate nature sound effect comparatively to leave, simultaneously has also provided S/P the DFI output connection, because used 模組 the type to design and to abbreviate Serial Port, its 後方 used six USB output connection.

South network valve 鄐 霅 melancholy crazy S had uses 10/,100 Ethernet which in the bridge constructed valve quickly A to use two Mavell Gigabit the Ethernet chip, used PCI-E to make the output to lie between the surface frequency, provided two group of 10/100/1000Mbps network connection. Uses the family for aspect DV, on the main engine board also to construct has VIA VT6307 the IEEE 1,394 chips, provides two group of IEEE the 1394a connection.

DFI Lanparty CFX3200 used all along has aimed at plays family's design, all yellow connection all adds on the UV material, could send out the dazzling glory under the UV fluorescent tube, in view of liked amusingly shining the engine case to use the family. In order to facilitate the ultra frequency to use the family, on the main engine board also constructs has Debug to demonstrate that, the command uses the family to be easier to know cannot 正動 open the reason, discovers the solution. Because the major part ultra frequency all uses the ultra frequency frame with the families, therefore the main engine board also has the independent switch and opens the button again.

(These last 4 paragraphs are surrounded by 4 images with these [purple]captions (going clockwise from top to bottom left):


Silicon Image SiI3114 SATALink晶片 = Silicon Image SiI3114 SATALink chip


建有兩顆Mavell Gigabit Ethernet網絡晶片 = Constructs has two Mavell Gigabit the Ethernet network chip


建有Debug Led方便用家找去不能正常啟動之原因 = Constructs has Debug the Led convenience to look with the family cannot reason of the normal start


主機板建有獨立開關及重啟按鈕 = The main engine board constructs has the independent switch and opens the button again.)
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Dual X16 CrossFire - RD580DFI the Xpress 3,200 main engines boards are taken to the threshing ground the article: Thunder handsome @X16 Fever 2



Tests the platform ︰
AMD Athlon 64 FX 60 2.6GHz 1MB L2 x2
DFI LanParty CFX 3200 (RD580)
DFI LanParty CFX200-RD (RD480)
MSI K8N-Diamond Plus (C51D + CK804)
Geil DDR400 512MB x 2 CL 2-2-2-5
Gigabyte Geforce 7800GTX 256MB
Delta Server Power 520W
Maxtor DiamondPlus 9 7200rpm 8MB Cache 120GB
nVidia Forceware 81.98 WHQL
Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP2

System test ︰ Xpress 3,200 VS Xpress 200CF & nForce 4 X16 SLi


There is a chart here with blue on the left and red on the top. It compares performance with a single 7800GTX.

From the system test aspect, may see RD580 the overall potency contrasts former generation RD480 to be slightly high, believed was ATi the RD580 chip group's internal design has made the optimization therefore, only then can promote the potency, but facing was being called best AMD platform nForce 4 SLi X16, has further pulled closer the distance, even though had the part to test still falls behind, but also only missed 毫 the thousandth of a Yuan, was allowed to call on was the very big progress.
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Dual X16 CrossFire - RD580DFI the Xpress 3,200 main engines boards are taken to the threshing ground the article: Thunder handsome @X16 Fever 2



Tests the platform ︰
AMD Athlon 64 FX 60 2.6GHz 1MB L2 x2
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DFI LanParty CFX200-RD (RD480)
MSI K8N-Diamond Plus (C51D + CK804)
Geil DDR400 512MB x 2 CL 2-2-2-5
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Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP2

CrossFire︰RD580 VS RD480 @ X1900XT CrossFire



There is a chart here with blue on the left and red on the top. It compares performance between the Xpress 3200 and Xpress 200 on CF X1900.

Compositing Engine CrossFire increases is not big
(Funny they say that when the 3200 serves the 200 on a silver platter in every single benchmark.)

Although the RD580 PCI-E frequency width has promoted a time, but X1900XT in the CrossFire potency has not been actually reflected,Although in the numeral we may see RD580 is superior, but everybody must pay attention RD580 under the overall potency promotion, (Could not translate this part of sentence.) Comes by no means to the frequency width rise. Some media report RD580 X1900XT CrossFire (Lost in translation.) This is to the cartography chip overhead construction serious misunderstanding, because their supposition understanding picture goes past high occupies the frequency width to be bigger.

PCI-E x16 certainly is not all completely reflects the superiority in each 3D procedure which because the PCI-E frequency width increase brings, if the 3D procedure has completely met the needs under the 2GB/s frequency width, calculated cannot bring in the potency the promotion to 4GB/s the difference, 3D the Benchmark formula because has laid aside in particular in front of each project the massive operations material on the indicator local memory body, therefore has not been able completely to reflect enhances superiority which the PCI-E frequency width brings, some Benchmark tool such as 3dmark in design time can mainly put the bottleneck in GPU exaggerates itself, Removes or reduces the system other parts of pressures as far as possible, therefore the X16 performance possibly does not have any promotion above these Benchmark, but completely is different at the actual game.

But comparatively can reflect SLi X16 the strength then to need on real Game Test, because 3D certainly cannot lay aside in advance the massive operations material on the indicator local memory body, therefore in transports favorable meets does not stop penetrates the PCI-E frequency width to renew the indicator local memory body the material, therefore we may see the major part Game Test in SLi the X16 all 有效能 on growth, but said the honest spot increase does not surpass 3%-5%, therefore to the present plays the design, must completely demonstrate SLi X16 the true strength possibility is not certainly big.

Many readers even media can misunderstand,
(Rest of paragraph is very difficult to translate I will try later:
不少讀者甚至媒體都會誤會, CF X16會在高解像度及開始AA/AF特效下,會出現較明顯的效能增長,這其實是錯誤的想法,當在高解像度開始AA/AF的情況下,GPU的工作會變得繁重導致FPS下跌,對外讀取資料的次數也會下降,加上大部份Data及 Texture已被載至顯示卡的本地記憶體,因此反而會使顯示卡比低解像度時使用更少的頻寬,SLi X16高頻寬的優勢可能會更不明顯,所以我們不能說CrossFire X16的高頻寬並不一定因高解像度及開始AA/AF就能顯示出來。同時採用Compositing Engine的CrossFire,是採用晶片把兩片顯示卡的運算顯面在外部作出結合,這是沒有採用任何P CI-E頻寬作出資料傳送的,亦減低了佔用對頻寬的需求。)

There is a chart here with blue on the left and red on the top. It compares performance between the Xpress 3200 and Xpress 200 on CF X1600.

There is a chart here with blue on the left and red on the top. It compares performance between the Xpress 3200 and Xpress 200 on CF X1300 Pro.

RD580 has the large promotion to X1300/X1600 CrossFire

Regarding X1600 and X1300 CrossFire, they all are use do not have Compositing Engine the form, purely penetrates the PCI-E frequency widely, two piece of indicators operation result combinations, therefore when the solution picture goes past high, the material capacity also changes greatly, therefore needs to contrast to the frequency width has Compositing Engine X1900 to be more earnest. We may discover in the major part situation, X1300/X1600 CrossFire in the RD580 platform, contrasts RD480 to have 15%-35% different potency promotion.

Latter records ︰

RD580 contrasts former generation RD480 in the overall performance to have the obvious progress, is in particular more obvious to the center low step CrossFire combination, but regarding had the RD480 main engine board to say with the family, if you are have X1800, X1900 and X850 CrossFire or suggested you do not use the promotion, because promotes certainly cannot bring the large potency promotion, on the contrary if your excellency X1300 and X1600 the CrossFire user, will promote RD580 to be able to bring the large scale potency promotion for you, will be worth investing.

Now announced promotes RD580 the merchant only to have very few, this certainly did not mean RD580 and is inferior to direct, indicated according to a Taiwan field main engine board merchant, has many main engines board merchant deviation only to promote (Last part of last paragraph, talks about AM2, DfI, Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, Xpress 200, etc.)
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I finished the translation. That was hard as hell, there were so many times the translator refused to do its job, so I had to break down the paragraph and figure out which part gave problems.
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very nice!!!!
You put a lot of effort in just for us lol , seriously though thanks for the info!
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