Overclock.net › Forums › Software, Programming and Coding › Operating Systems › Will Apples Switch To Windows ???
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Will Apples Switch To Windows ???

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Sink Or Swim . . . "
Ed Stroligo - 2/28/06


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


John Dvorak recently wrote an article suggesting that Apple was going to switch to Windows. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1923151,00.asp

I suspect he may end up being right, but for all the wrong reasons.

Apple will not switch over to Windows within, say, the next year for one simple reason: if they do, Steve Jobs will die, and he's has a lot to live for these days.

If the Mac fans don't kill him, the Mac developers trying to port their applications over will.

What Will Happen

Ever since Jobs came back to Apple, the Mac has become more and more like a PC. Even before the switch to Intel, most parts of a Mac had become off-the-shelf PC components with a Mac driver. "Innovations" in the Second Age of Jobs were usually making an available and up-and-coming PC component standard before the mainstream PC OEMs did (and often it was trailing-edge technology).

The shift to Intel means that effectively ALL of a Mac is a PC. The only remaining serious distinguishing point is MacOS X (and that's been more-or-less the case anyway for at least the last five years).

Now we have Macs that are capable of running Windows (all Apple would have to do today is write a 30K program to let its EFI boot off a BIOS, and they'll probably not even need to do that for Vista). This makes Macs the only machines that can run both Windows and MacOS X.

If you have a machine that can do both, it would be utterly stupid to jump from A to B before seeing how well you do selling a machine that can do A and B.

And this will be what Apple will eventually do. First, it will "allow" dual-boot systems and measure how many pioneers, especially pioneers who would never otherwise touch a Mac, buy systems.

If that works well enough, then Apple will start offering official dual-boot machines as an option, most likely with something rather better than Virtual PC that will let you run Windows in MacOS X.

Again, they'll measure the response. If sales don't increase dramatically, Apple can stop offering them. If sales do increase dramatically, and all those dual-boot machines end up converting most of the new buyers to MacOS X, so much the better for the MacOS X world, and Apple will stay bi-OSual.

If Mac sales in a few years are dominated by newcomers who just use the machines as designer Windows boxes, and they start clamoring for Windows-only boxes, then Apple will start giving it to them. If the sales figures at that time indicate that there's a lot more Windows for Mac users than MacOS for Mac users, then the handwriting will be on the wall for MacOS X, and it will be gently phased out.

There's a lot of "ifs" there, but it's the only sane approach to the matter, a lot better than just jumping into the unknown. Let Windows and MacOS compete against each other, and see which (if either) wins out. It's a win-win situation for Apple; there is no rational downside.

What Apple is likely to do is in a lot of ways similar to what AMD has largely done the last few years: transitioning to a new buyer base while gently squeezing out the old.

Of course, AMD has been moving upmarket, while Apple would be doing the opposite, but in both cases, the end effect is to stop being dependent on the old core market because it wasn't sufficient. For AMD, the problem was the core yielded too little money, for Apple, the problem is too few customers.

The PCPeasants Are Coming, The PCPeasants Are Coming!!

About two years ago, we had an article called "How I PC'd an Apple G5, in which someone put an Athlon XP system into a G5 case (well, initially, the story was gutting a G5 machine and putting in an Athlon XP system.

This got Mac users very upset.

Well, what Andy did as a prank in 2004, Apple did for real in 2006.

Now it's now only a matter of time before the PC peasants start coming.

And if enough of them come, they'll be the ones who decide if MacOS X lives or die, not you, Macster.

If you think Jobs won't allow it, uhhh, who do you think made the decision that made this now possible? Who started shifting to PC parts in 1997/1998? Who wanted to go to Intel five years ago (and put his money where his mouth was by keeping an x86 version of OS X on the backburner all those years)? Who had absolutely no problem coming up with Windows versions of QuickTime and iTunes?

I mean, really, how many iPods do you think Apple would have sold if iTunes were a MacOS program? Don't you think the success of the bi-OSual iPod might influence Mr. Jobs' thinking a tad?

For once, don't listen to what the man says, look at what he does. Do you really think he's going to pass on an obvious marketing opportunity and advantage without giving it a shot?

What grounds do you have to object, Macster? You won't have to buy Windows when this happens. Nothing will be forced on you then, and if MacOS X is so wonderful that it will convert most newcomers, nothing will ever be forced on you.

Your little X-world will only be endangered if hordes of PCpeasants give Apple a shot and the brutes find that MacOS X isn't so special, only if MacOS X sinks rather than swims against Windows in their eyes.

And that's the real problem for a lot of you (not all, or even most, but a big chunk of Macsters), isn't it? If you buy a Mac to feel special, to feel elite, that's not going to be the case any more, will it, not with all that riffraff joining your little club?

And if the peasants do take over the estate, and give Jobs a lot more money than you ever did, you become superfluous to Apple, don't you, and can be gently phased out, just like the MacOS9/PPCers. Where else are you going to go? That hardly makes you feel special, elite or important, now does it?

Even if MacOS X survives, even thrives, there will still always be plenty of riffraff using your machines to run their barbaric OS, and dirtying up the place. You probably hate that just as much.

The core problem isn't with Apple, but you. You see, the Mac as a piece of computer hardware hasn't been special for a long time (outside of some better industrial design). It's been getting closer and closer to a PC the last number of years, now it is a PC. The last bastion of perceived superiority is the OS, and soon it, too, will be put to the test by lots of people with a Windows background.

But even if most find MacOS X better, the root problem is no computer makes you special, or elite, and anything else like that, no more so than buying Häagen-Dazs over the store brand ice cream. If you like Häagen-Dazs better, fine. I wouldn't even argue with you about Häagen-Dazs being better. But to think you're a better person because you eat Häagen-Dazs, well, that's a delusion simply because most people could easily buy it, too, if they wished.

And delusions become no truer when you find a ghetto of other deluded people who'll agree with you. It's only when most people outside the ghetto agree that you're special or elite that it holds weight.


Ed
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
T5200 Intel 945 Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 2GB DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD 160GB SATA Multiformat Double Layer DVD RW Windows Vista Home Premium 15.4" Ultra Bright WXGA TFT/WestingHouse 22" LCD 
KeyboardCaseMouse
Dynex Gateway Dynex 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
T5200 Intel 945 Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 2GB DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD 160GB SATA Multiformat Double Layer DVD RW Windows Vista Home Premium 15.4" Ultra Bright WXGA TFT/WestingHouse 22" LCD 
KeyboardCaseMouse
Dynex Gateway Dynex 
  hide details  
Reply
post #2 of 16
thats the dumbest thing i've ever heard. Dvorak is a nutjob
:|
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Pentium 4 561 ES ASUS P5GPL-X nVidia GeForce 7900GTX 2x 512MB Corsair XMS 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
120GB Western Digital Lite-On DVD Burner 1 <3 Beryl+Ubuntu 6.10 17" sick-ass CRT 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Saitek Eclipse 500W Aspire Green and Glowing Logitech MX 518 
Mouse Pad
Regular Mat 
  hide details  
Reply
:|
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Pentium 4 561 ES ASUS P5GPL-X nVidia GeForce 7900GTX 2x 512MB Corsair XMS 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
120GB Western Digital Lite-On DVD Burner 1 <3 Beryl+Ubuntu 6.10 17" sick-ass CRT 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Saitek Eclipse 500W Aspire Green and Glowing Logitech MX 518 
Mouse Pad
Regular Mat 
  hide details  
Reply
post #3 of 16
why is dvorak a nutjob? It really makes sense lol, I mean all the mac is now is a socket 479 pc.
Workstation #1
(17 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Asus ROG Crosshair VI Gigabyte GTX 1080 Crucial Ballistix Sport 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial MX300 1TB M.2 SSD Hitachi 2TB Sata 3.0 HDD Crucial MX300 1TB 2.5" SSD WD Caviar Black 4TB HDD 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsiair H110i Windows 10 Pro x64 3x Dell U2717D 2560x1440 monitors Coolermaster Masterkeys TKL 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair CX750M Corsair 600C Logitech G900 Corsair MM200 XL 
Audio
Onboard 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-3540M Dell Latitude E6430 Intel HD4000 6GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
128GB Samsung 841 SSD DVD-ROM drive Stock Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
1600x900 Latitude E6430 screen Das Keyboard Model S Professional Stock Dell Latitude D6430 Chassis 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Steelseries Kinzu V2 Pro None Onboard 
  hide details  
Reply
Workstation #1
(17 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Asus ROG Crosshair VI Gigabyte GTX 1080 Crucial Ballistix Sport 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial MX300 1TB M.2 SSD Hitachi 2TB Sata 3.0 HDD Crucial MX300 1TB 2.5" SSD WD Caviar Black 4TB HDD 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsiair H110i Windows 10 Pro x64 3x Dell U2717D 2560x1440 monitors Coolermaster Masterkeys TKL 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair CX750M Corsair 600C Logitech G900 Corsair MM200 XL 
Audio
Onboard 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-3540M Dell Latitude E6430 Intel HD4000 6GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
128GB Samsung 841 SSD DVD-ROM drive Stock Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
1600x900 Latitude E6430 screen Das Keyboard Model S Professional Stock Dell Latitude D6430 Chassis 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Steelseries Kinzu V2 Pro None Onboard 
  hide details  
Reply
post #4 of 16
No way in the world is mac going to switch. Thaat's why macs are mac. In my opinion and the opinion of many other macs interface is so much easier to use than windows. I use a mac in my media class at school and everything is so easy to use. I still like windows but when compared mac beats out windows any day. but like i said it just an opinion. If anything i personaly think that windows might use some of the ideas mac's got.
post #5 of 16
Now that I think about it, your right, I wouldn't think that they'd go completely windows....but maybe a dual boot option, so you could switch freely between them.
Workstation #1
(17 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Asus ROG Crosshair VI Gigabyte GTX 1080 Crucial Ballistix Sport 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial MX300 1TB M.2 SSD Hitachi 2TB Sata 3.0 HDD Crucial MX300 1TB 2.5" SSD WD Caviar Black 4TB HDD 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsiair H110i Windows 10 Pro x64 3x Dell U2717D 2560x1440 monitors Coolermaster Masterkeys TKL 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair CX750M Corsair 600C Logitech G900 Corsair MM200 XL 
Audio
Onboard 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-3540M Dell Latitude E6430 Intel HD4000 6GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
128GB Samsung 841 SSD DVD-ROM drive Stock Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
1600x900 Latitude E6430 screen Das Keyboard Model S Professional Stock Dell Latitude D6430 Chassis 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Steelseries Kinzu V2 Pro None Onboard 
  hide details  
Reply
Workstation #1
(17 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Asus ROG Crosshair VI Gigabyte GTX 1080 Crucial Ballistix Sport 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial MX300 1TB M.2 SSD Hitachi 2TB Sata 3.0 HDD Crucial MX300 1TB 2.5" SSD WD Caviar Black 4TB HDD 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsiair H110i Windows 10 Pro x64 3x Dell U2717D 2560x1440 monitors Coolermaster Masterkeys TKL 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair CX750M Corsair 600C Logitech G900 Corsair MM200 XL 
Audio
Onboard 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-3540M Dell Latitude E6430 Intel HD4000 6GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
128GB Samsung 841 SSD DVD-ROM drive Stock Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
1600x900 Latitude E6430 screen Das Keyboard Model S Professional Stock Dell Latitude D6430 Chassis 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Steelseries Kinzu V2 Pro None Onboard 
  hide details  
Reply
post #6 of 16
Seems like a fairly reasonable idea.
post #7 of 16
*boggle*

If Apple went to Windows, they would not be in business very long.

Their business model (outside of iPod) soley relies on pumped up hardware prices that you pay to get their OS. If they dump the OS, that is end of hardware (why would I pay more for x86 hardware I could get for half the price somewhere else?)

They would become iPod.
Toe Breaker
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX-8350 Black Edition ASUS Crosshair V Formula-Z AM3+  ASUS R9270X-DC2T-4GD5  ASUS R9270X-DC2T-4GD5  
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series  Samsung 840 EVO-Series  Samsung 840 EVO-Series  ASUS 24x DVD-RW  
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO  7x Phanteks PH-F140SP  Windows 8.1 ASUS VG248QE (x2) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Microsoft 4000 EVGA SuperNOVA 750G2 80PLUS  Phantek Enthoo Logitech G500  
  hide details  
Reply
Toe Breaker
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX-8350 Black Edition ASUS Crosshair V Formula-Z AM3+  ASUS R9270X-DC2T-4GD5  ASUS R9270X-DC2T-4GD5  
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series  Samsung 840 EVO-Series  Samsung 840 EVO-Series  ASUS 24x DVD-RW  
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO  7x Phanteks PH-F140SP  Windows 8.1 ASUS VG248QE (x2) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Microsoft 4000 EVGA SuperNOVA 750G2 80PLUS  Phantek Enthoo Logitech G500  
  hide details  
Reply
post #8 of 16
Thats acutally hillarious... the windows juggernaut is unstopable
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AM2 5200+x2 EPoX MF570SLI ATI X1900XT 512mb 2x1gb G.Skill DDR2-800 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD2500KS Windows XP pro 21'' Dell Trinitron P1130 Generic Micro innovations brand 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Sunbeam Nuuo 550W Cooler Master CM690 MX-518 Fellowes Microban Blackness 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AM2 5200+x2 EPoX MF570SLI ATI X1900XT 512mb 2x1gb G.Skill DDR2-800 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD2500KS Windows XP pro 21'' Dell Trinitron P1130 Generic Micro innovations brand 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Sunbeam Nuuo 550W Cooler Master CM690 MX-518 Fellowes Microban Blackness 
  hide details  
Reply
post #9 of 16
the "Mac" PC is going to fail, and its Apple OS, i hate it so much.
First Build -
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD 64 3200+ Winni @ 2.0 :( Gigabyte GA-K8N Pro-SLI Evga 6800GT :( 4x512mb OCZ Platinum DDR400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
150gb garbage Windows XP Home SP2 19"LCD VX924 3ms g-t-g + 32"LCD Sony 8ms 1360x768 Micro-Soft + G25 Wheel for Xmas $! 
PowerCaseMouse
Athena ATX 520W Black Centurion Razor Copperhead 
  hide details  
Reply
First Build -
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD 64 3200+ Winni @ 2.0 :( Gigabyte GA-K8N Pro-SLI Evga 6800GT :( 4x512mb OCZ Platinum DDR400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
150gb garbage Windows XP Home SP2 19"LCD VX924 3ms g-t-g + 32"LCD Sony 8ms 1360x768 Micro-Soft + G25 Wheel for Xmas $! 
PowerCaseMouse
Athena ATX 520W Black Centurion Razor Copperhead 
  hide details  
Reply
post #10 of 16
I think that Apple should stay as it is. Why? Well, they do have the loyal fan base who will always buy an Mac and thus keep Apple's <10% market share. If they change to windows they will most likely lose a lot of loyal followers.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Operating Systems
Overclock.net › Forums › Software, Programming and Coding › Operating Systems › Will Apples Switch To Windows ???