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Where does all the hate come from? Chill out guys. It's not like the world is comming to an end. As I see it, Intel guys are starting to get back at AMD guys for all the crap they got with this current generation of chips. We have all seen this before. A company releases their "uberchip of awesomeness" only to be equalled or surpassed by its rival latter on. Conroe and all its buddies may be based on redefined tech from older days but it's still new tech. Intel didn't just take a PIII and relabeled Conroe (althought that would be funny if they did). It looks like Intel pulled a miracle from their a** and it looks like it's going to rock. Good for them . So it beats current AMD chips... and? Wouldn't yon expect Conroe to at least aquall what's out now? I still say that it's not fair and we should wait until AMD's answer. All in all this are good times. New technology and competition is always good. This will force AMD to redesigned their chips instead of making revisions of older ones. No reason to get bent out of shape for this.
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As far as I've seen, AMDs plan is to release skt AM2 and the updated San Diego and Toledo cores (Revision F, Windsor and Orleans) around June and THEN it will release its answer to Conroe in early 2007 so it seems that if Conroe launches in Q3 then Intel should have 3-6 months in the lime light, they deserve it considering AMD has really been far ahead ever since they launched the Athlon 64 I think the problem is some AMD fanboys were so used to AMD>Intel that they can't believe that Intel has made a good CPU for once but the truth is, up until the P4 Northwood, Intel really had been ahead since the dawn of CPUs. Which is why I have always remained an Intel faithful simply because I trusted that they could pull off Conroe and it seems as though I was right. Chill AMD heads your turn will come once more come 2007 2006 is our year. lol.
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I have an old Intel 2.4 running now and an Athlon 64 3200 sitting on the shelf waiting for the case to be finished...that will be my "new" rig... I could care less about what is in the case as lng as it works, it is stable and my FPS is tolerable. That said, please do correct me if I am off base in this one but as I recall it (though I was way less interested in tech back when) in the past AMD seemed to always be offering either very close performance or better for less money than Intel but they always had production issues. That is what kept them down in the beginning. Once they stabilized their production they became the serious contender that they are today. The reason for Intel market dominance IMO goes back to those days when AMD production capability was a big question mark. Some of the younger members may or may not know what I am talking about as I am looking back 10-15 years. So when the Dells, Gateways, Packard Bells, etc were getting started they needed reliable production, which was Intel, not AMD. So supply contracts were made with Intel and AMD found themselves playing catch up not because of tech but because of obscurity/lack of market presence which of course equals less $$$ to pay for R&D. I can remember back when it seemed like every quarter they were taking bets wether AMD would go belly up. Fast forward to now...Intel still has the mass production PC market, most likely a carry over from those original days and overlapping contracts that locked them into Intel tech. Looking back it is miraculous that AMD has been able to stay in the game given their lack of presence.

It is good to see that the next gen is pushing as without it AMD & Intel would turn into GM & Ford, though the demand for better/faster will never lighten up. AMD will take what this chip has to offer and build on those ideas and then Intel will do it and then AMD and so on. As my boss likes to say, "The best thoughts have not been thought yet, there is always a better way." I expect to always be several YEARS behind the tech curve...it just isn't that much of a priority for me. OC'ing is a casual hobby and a way for me to make that 3-4 year old CPU/GPU still work ok with the games of today. A big to Intel for the next step. Let's see if the chip makes it to market at that projected price first of all. If it does, great! It would not surprise me if Intel's evolution schedule coincides with their supply contracts. We enthusiasts look at it from the standpoint of "Well, another $100 for a new mobo, oh well." which keeps it very simple. Start talking millions of CPU's, mobo's, RAM and it can get very complicated. I am just glad AMD is there if for no other reason they offer a choice.
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Yeah the conroe benchmarks are BEAUTIFUL in terms of performance. But lets NOT forget this is a NEW generation processor. Not a CURRENT generation processor. The funny part is AMD is capable of releasing its newer technology today, but as stated on Anandtech, they decided to wait for the release of DDR2 800 around June. Ill give intel props though, this proc looks nice. But id rather wait till June to decide on where to drop some cash.
Umm... I have DDR2 800 now....
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Conroe 2.67 vs AMD Athlon FX 60 (at 2.8) Benchmarks

AMD FX60 trounced by Intel Conroe

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While we're still comparing to Socket-939 and only using RD480, it does seem very unlikely that AMD would be able to make up this much of a deficit with Socket-AM2 and RD580. Especially looking at titles like F.E.A.R. where Conroe's performance advantage averages over 40%, it looks like Intel's confidence has been well placed.
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Excellent find and the results do look like a very credible improvement.
Just picking up on Jori's point:
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Heres something.. How the heck does a processor affect gaming THAT much? I doubt these results for some reason... No other processor has had "this much" of a lead in gaming over any other one, because processor doesnt do that much to the fps unless you have a really slow proc and fast graphics card.
I agree. The CPU isn't normally the bottleneck, for games. If you want to test a bottleneck, underclock your CPU and see the difference in framerates. I took my CPU from 2.8 down to 1.8Ghz and lost, on average, about 10% FPS. Now try underclocking your GFX card proportionately and compare the difference.

Granted, if you're running a very slow CPU it might begin to degrade performance significantly, but a new GFX card will normally yield the highest results in games, when upgraded, and is hence the bottleneck.

Also, check out the minimum frames and average on the FEAR test. 78 for Intel as opposed to 63 AMD. These are the sort of things to look for. Who needs 500+ FPS? But the minimum framerates is where performance starts to degrade and the difference is much closer here. Also, check out the average FPS; 186 Vs 132 in favour of Intel. Again a very good advantage, but nowhere near 500 FPS.

Just wanted to point a few things out from these results to put them into context. I'm looking forward to Conroe and fully expect it to be my next system, if results continue to show these sorts of improvements. However, it's not going to be the 'be all and end all' of gaming. That performance will still be gained, on the whole by the GFX card(s). Credit to Pauldovi though who has brought us some good info over the last few days
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OMG i just understanded what that mean... OMG!!! 500FPS? ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i dont think i get near 45FPS my system suck! all because of my gfx...
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WOW AMD just got owned completely there. Im really surprised. i didnt thin it would smoke the FX60 like that wow, and that isnt the fastest conroe either.
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A processor refresh? *** is a processor refresh...as far as I knew AM2 was AMDs answer to the new Intel line...cause arent the new cpus supposed to be 65nm as well?
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A processor refresh? *** is a processor refresh...as far as I knew AM2 was AMDs answer to the new Intel line...cause arent the new cpus supposed to be 65nm as well?
No, AM2 is 90nm. AMD have a 65nm range planned and will release info after the release of the AM2 socket.
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