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Originally Posted by mocha989 View Post
Catalist 10.7 and forceware 257.21.

that review you showed is of benchmarks using 197.xx drivers which were pretty garbage for fermi. now gtx470s are beating hd5870s as you can see with the 257.21 and 258.96 drivers.



you will regret that. i can gaurentee it. i dont know why i ever got a hd5870 before i got my 470. 470 is buy far from what ive seen the better card. much much smoother gameplay, physx, cuda, and overall gpu horse power is much higher



Pls take a look at the test set up from www.benchmarkreviews.com at http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...1&limitstart=4

They are using ATI 10.7 and Nvidia 258.96 and Uniheaven benchmark shows the 5870 on a virtual tie with the GTX 470.


And not to forget the GTX 470 draws more power, btw.

It all depends on which camp we prefer. For those who support Nvidia for their proprietary Physx crap, I say go for the GTX 460/470.

For those who support open standards like HAVOK physics, I say go for the ATI 5870. Or wait till ATI launches their Southern Island refresh in Oct/Nov. GTX 460 and GTX 470 will get owned, again.

It's a cycle that repeats itself.
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yeah really mocha just cool it, go play with your cuda or something. Let them switch to another card. It's not you who will have to deal with low fps

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you will regret that. i can gaurentee it.
Agreed.

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May I know which drivers are you using?

This test by hardwarecanucks done in 4 July (quite recent) shows a STOCK REFERENCE ATI 5870 being faster than an overclocked Nvidia / Gigabyte GTX 470. And the site points out that they are only able to hit 741Mhz core for their tested GTX 470. And not all consumers will overvolt their GTX 470 card to such drastic extent I suppose. And I suppose not all people will be able to hit 800+Mhz on their GTX 470. And those who bought a reference 5870 will be able to score better than the GTX 470 in many cases without even the need to overclock if they use the exact testbed as used by the site? Also, it can be argued that ATI can come out with better drivers as well.

I'm buying a video card and thus am looking at a variety of sources. I'm not a particular fan of any camp. Opinions are welcomed.

Below are some charts from the July test showing the stock 5870 > overclocked GTX 470.


























Even in Far Cry 2, a game that favors Nvidia, the 5870 still manages to win at this setting below.




And in Metro 2033, the overclocked GTX 470 is like...1 frame faster than the STOCK 5870? Hardly a win......more like a tie...




An overclocked GTX 470 draws more power than a stock 5870 as shown below.




I am currently using an Asus 5850DirectCu overvolted and overclocked to 930/1300. It was during the Uniheaven 2.1 run that I encounter some slowdowns in fps during 4x AA. So I was thinking whether to upgrade to 5870 or GTX 470. I was about to sell my 5850 and get a GTX 470 when I came across the site mentioned above. The site test was done in July. So I assume most of the benchmarks are still quite valid as ATI may come out with better drivers as well.

I dont see the GTX 470 being a very convincing buy based on the above results, pulling less performance in many settings, tieing with the 5870 in others and requiring more power in idle and load.



And if we are looking at the latest 10.7 vs 258 drivers, benchmarkreview website shows that the 5870 is pretty much on par with the GTX 470 as below.





Battlefield Bad Company 2 shows the 5870 pulling ahead of the GTX 470 using latest ATI 10.7 and Nvidia 258 drivers.





I'm trying to convince myself to get the GTX 470 but another chart shows otherwise. Nvidia's latest drivers fail to prevent the 5870 from lodging a win over the 470 here.





Based on latest drivers from both camps, the 5870 virtually ties with the GTX 470 here.

qft?
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Catalist 10.7 and forceware 257.21.

that review you showed is of benchmarks using 197.xx drivers which were pretty garbage for fermi. now gtx470s are beating hd5870s as you can see with the 257.21 and 258.96 drivers.



you will regret that. i can gaurentee it. i dont know why i ever got a hd5870 before i got my 470. 470 is buy far from what ive seen the better card. much much smoother gameplay, physx, cuda, and overall gpu horse power is much higher
Finny thing is when the 10.7's vs 257.21 we all know its crap for ATI, yet you still seem to call it fair? In those benchmarks we can all agree ATI>nVidia. Stop just blurting out nonsense just cause your card isn't the best in the bunch.

Also GTX470=5870. Your different gameplay much be your eye's. I have used both and by far there is absolutely no difference. Like I said stop saying things just cause your card isn't the best.

But at this point in time wait for Southern Islands from ATI, if the so told "Leaked" benchmarks are true we got a winner.
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I will never buy ati....because ati in linux sucks big time...drivers are horrible....i have heard more issues with crossfire than with sli....and it seems to me that when the new gtx580 comes out it will blow the socks off of ati...
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I will never buy ati....because ati in linux sucks big time...drivers are horrible....i have heard more issues with crossfire than with sli....and it seems to me that when the new gtx580 comes out it will blow the socks off of ati...

SemiAccurate have followed their initial report of the GTX 580 "paper-launching" in November with an update - the GTX 580 launch is no scheduled as early as the Monday after next - November 8th. As the leaked specifications suggest, the GF110 is "GF100 done right" and the GTX 580 will end up similar to how the GTX 480 should have been. The net result, as expected will be a decent performance boost of upto 20% with lower power consumption and thermals.

Unlike the GT200 generation, GF100 did not have a readily available die shrink to count on, with TSMC's 32nm process being cancelled. GF110 will continue to be a huge chip, and despite the ~20% performance improvement, SemiAccurate suggests it won't be enough to beat AMD's upcoming Radeon HD 6900 series.

The release has been pulled ahead in time for NVIDIA's Financial Conference Call, and more importantly, beating AMD to the Cayman (Radeon HD 6950/6970) release. If that sounds too good to be true, the catch is, however, that the launch will be largely a paper launch with no retail availability. The real hard launch is scheduled for January 2011.

While there's no doubt the GTX 580 will be a decent improvement over the GTX 480 (especially in terms of performance/watt) - soft launches, especially with availability months away, impresses no one these days. It is quite simple - release a product when you have enough supply. The GTX 580 release is definitely being timed to spoil the Radeon HD 6900 series release, and we hope NVIDIA can inform the press and customers about an accurate availability timeline. Of course, with NVIDIA's recent history of delays, we don't see many customers holding their breath for the GTX 580's "actual" release anyway. Also, it would be better if these "reviews" were labelled as "previews". Whatever the nature of the November 8th launch, we hope NVIDIA can ship out the GTX 580 as soon as possible, hopefully before the January 2011 rumoured date.
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well ati's 6900 series so far has been bunk..the 6970 was for crap not even as good as the 58xx series yet alone nearly as good as the 580....mabey the 6990 will prove to be better..but as it sits nvidia is crowned the victor as they have already launched their 580 series and it is stomping the 59xx series in the ground...
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well ati's 6900 series so far has been bunk..the 6970 was for crap not even as good as the 58xx series yet alone nearly as good as the 580....mabey the 6990 will prove to be better..but as it sits nvidia is crowned the victor as they have already launched their 580 series and it is stomping the 59xx series in the ground...
Please post benchmark proving this, considering the 6900's haven't even been released yet.
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