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Does anyone know of any desktop motherboards that support the yonah?
 
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I don't think there are.... yet.
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The Aopen i975Xa-YDG is the board currently supporting a Yonah.

Where can people get one of these? No Clue.

AFAIK, it's sold in Japan but it cost somewhere around the $350 ball park.

Either way, I wouldn't consider a Yonah when Conroe is near:

AOpen Releases Core Duo To The Desktop

Thing with Mobile CPUs for the desktop platform need to be overclocked in the 2.7-to-2.9ghz range in order to start kicking A$$, CONROE in the other hand comes in at a healty 2.66ghz and will be faster than Yonah, if Yonah can't keep up with a Presler Extreme Edition at stocks but Conroe is 40% faster than a Pentium D 950 at stocks........

I see no reason why would anyone think of Yonah.
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Originally Posted by Nasgul
The Aopen i975Xa-YDG is the board currently supporting a Yonah.

Where can people get one of these? No Clue.

AFAIK, it's sold in Japan but it cost somewhere around the $350 ball park.

Either way, I wouldn't consider a Yonah when Conroe is near:

AOpen Releases Core Duo To The Desktop

Thing with Mobile CPUs for the desktop platform need to be overclocked in the 2.7-to-2.9ghz range in order to start kicking A$$, CONROE in the other hand comes in at a healty 2.66ghz and will be faster than Yonah, if Yonah can't keep up with a Presler Extreme Edition at stocks but Conroe is 40% faster than a Pentium D 950 at stocks........

I see no reason why would anyone think of Yonah.
Hmmm. A Yohan system on water could be very promising.... I am going to have to look into that!
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Either way, I wouldn't consider a Yonah when Conroe is near:



I see no reason why would anyone think of Yonah.
I can see why, cause it kicks some serious butt that's why. Maybe if a couple good mobos come out that support it, it might be quite a bit cheaper than a conroe system, when they even come out. At the moment, the yonah is a smokin processor, not everyone cares about some new cpu that hasn't even come out yet. There are quite a few cpu's out right now that I would by no means call a bad investment, a nice presler or cedar mill are just two of a few. And every single one of them will play any game you throw at with the right vid card, overclock quite nicely with the right gear, and fly like greased lightning at pretty much anything you do for quite some time to come. Nothing against yonah, they look sweet, after they been out for a little while and get cheaper, I'd maybe get one cash permitting.

Money is a main concern for alot of people, not everyone spends $1000 on a whole new system every 6 months, and quite honestly you don't need to for you to have a quite capable kick butt computer. Hell, my cpu with my 6800GT does anything I can throw at it, and will be fast and fine for awhile yet. I think by the time they even have software widespread that even uses dual core, I'll be getting something better than conroe probably, and save alot of money too along the way . I see nothing wrong whatsoever with having the second or third best cpu on the market, that's my opinion anyway. I know some people just have to have THE one, the expensive fastest processor around. I respect that, if I had more money to blow on computer stuff I'd be more of an enthusiast too I know it lol, but I don't and most other people don't either.
    
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Money is a main concern for alot of people, not everyone spends $1000 on a whole new system every 6 months
This is the difference between the "Enthusiast" and the "Casual Overclocker". The "Enthusiast" has the money to further their hobby. The casual overclocker is more concerned with value for price/performance.

Check the water and phase cooling sections. You will see prices that prove this point. You will not see many people concerned with the final bottom line in those areas.

Seldom will you see someone trying to get a great overclock out of a "Value" board there. Those who don't have the money are not able to entertain spending these kinds of money. Usually it has more to do with not having the money though.

I am glad your 6800 does what you want. A 6800 does NOT do what I want however and it should be seen that just because it does what you want, you can not translate that to other people and what they want.

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This is the difference between the "Enthusiast" and the "Casual Overclocker". The "Enthusiast" has the money to further their hobby. The casual overclocker is more concerned with value for price/performance.

Check the water and phase cooling sections. You will see prices that prove this point. You will not see many people concerned with the final bottom line in those areas.

Seldom will you see someone trying to get a great overclock out of a "Value" board there. Those who don't have the money are not able to entertain spending these kinds of money. Usually it has more to do with not having the money though.

I am glad your 6800 does what you want. A 6800 does NOT do what I want however and it should be seen that just because it does what you want, you can not translate that to other people and what they want.

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Ya, my 6800GT is good for now, I may get a 7800GS, or just wait til I build a new system. And ya I totally understand there are alot of enthusiasts with money. And I'm not talking about budget systems at all, or "value" anything. You can still have the 2nd or 3rd best cpu around with a real good mobo, and be somewhat of an enthusiast. I was just responding to the comment that noone should look at anything but conroe, as if all others suck or something. Ya maybe a conroe will get you that few extra benchmark points or whatever, but to alot of people benches mean very little. In real world use I doubt you'd notice much if any difference between the top couple cpu's except in benches.

There's a few smokin cpu's out right now, and that's the whole thing, they're out now, only a hardcore enthusiast should wait until the moment conroe comes out, then pay the extra $$ for the newest IMO. How much better will a conroe game over a good presler, or anything else you do with it? Probably not much, unless you think there's some kind of difference between 120 and 130fps or whatever for gameplay, which there's not. So ya for the hardcore guys who care alot about benches and whatever, then ya conroe all the way it'll be kick a$$. I respect waiting for the new thing to come out, to have the best, I'm just pointing out that the majority of people do not do that.

I'm not trying to flame anyone at all btw, some people like to only bench their system, and it's important to have that higher score than the next guy, more power to them. If I had money to blow I would have the best too, although I still wouldn't put much into benching. I guess the only reason I posted is cause some people make it sound like unless you wait for conroe, your system will be pathetic or something, and I just don't agree that's all. He asked "why would anyone think of yonah?" I'm just saying why that's all. I'd love to have a nice yonah system, it would be a very good system.
    
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Originally Posted by RoscoeMcGurk
He asked "why would anyone think of yonah?" I'm just saying why that's all. I'd love to have a nice yonah system, it would be a very good system.
Well, perhaps if you spend a little time knowing what a Mobile CPU brings to the Desktop platform then you'd understand. While I'm not trying to flame you as you might think but judging by your specs, You do speak from your own personal experiences of not caring for this and that, just as long as the PC in hand can do the job right.

That idiology is mine as well and so share the thought. I have not jumped in the Dual Core wagon yet and it seems like if I will, it will be in October or whenever the 960 is around the $350 or less. So yes, for the time being my 660 @ 4.32ghz it's plenty more than what I need but.....I'll replace it by the end of the year.


Few things you need to know about Yonah.
-Mobile CPU, socket 478 which would require a very expensive motherboard (somewhere in the $350+) to be compatible with.
-No motherboards available yet, here in the U.S. and if they become, prepare to pay premium price which I doubt someone would pay it.

-Yonah at stock speeds can't keep up, so you'd need at least a 2.0ghz Yonah which cost $417 but you will have to overclock it to at least 2.7-to-2.9ghz to start showing its raw performance. Getting 1Kmhz out of a Mobile CPU easy? yes! if you have phase-change, otherwise no such thing.

So, it's not about being a good or bad, 2nd best or 3rd best CPU, it's about building a system that would be very expensive and perhaps not as good as one that is meant and easily to obtain such as Conroe will. Because Conroe is meant for the desktop platform.

If you're willing to recommend a board that most likely will cost $350 and perhaps that Aopen board for Yonah may never make it to the U.S. market and a CPU that cost $417, then do it. It's not a wise choice in my opinion and it will never change.

$200 Yonah compatible board and $200 Yonah 2.0ghz CPU? then we'd be discussing how to get it to 2.9ghz.
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Originally Posted by Nasgul
Well, perhaps if you spend a little time knowing what a Mobile CPU brings to the Desktop platform then you'd understand. While I'm not trying to flame you as you might think but judging by your specs, You do speak from your own personal experiences of not caring for this and that, just as long as the PC in hand can do the job right.

That idiology is mine as well and so share the thought. I have not jumped in the Dual Core wagon yet and it seems like if I will, it will be in October or whenever the 960 is around the $350 or less. So yes, for the time being my 660 @ 4.32ghz it's plenty more than what I need but.....I'll replace it by the end of the year.


Few things you need to know about Yonah.
-Mobile CPU, socket 478 which would require a very expensive motherboard (somewhere in the $350+) to be compatible with.
-No motherboards available yet, here in the U.S. and if they become, prepare to pay premium price which I doubt someone would pay it.

-Yonah at stock speeds can't keep up, so you'd need at least a 2.0ghz Yonah which cost $417 but you will have to overclock it to at least 2.7-to-2.9ghz to start showing its raw performance. Getting 1Kmhz out of a Mobile CPU easy? yes! if you have phase-change, otherwise no such thing.

So, it's not about being a good or bad, 2nd best or 3rd best CPU, it's about building a system that would be very expensive and perhaps not as good as one that is meant and easily to obtain such as Conroe will. Because Conroe is meant for the desktop platform.

If you're willing to recommend a board that most likely will cost $350 and perhaps that Aopen board for Yonah may never make it to the U.S. market and a CPU that cost $417, then do it. It's not a wise choice in my opinion and it will never change.

$200 Yonah compatible board and $200 Yonah 2.0ghz CPU? then we'd be discussing how to get it to 2.9ghz.
Well yes your right, I did read that about the aopen $350 board only in japan, only desktop board that will run yonah. And yes I know yonah is a mobile cpu, and you'd of course have to oc one to make it shine up with the other top cpu's.

So ya your right I guess that it's not a good idea currently. It's also likely I suppose like you say that things won't change with that. But if someone comes out with a decent mobo that supported yonah, and maybe a little closer to conroe the prices could drop on yonahs too. You never know, unless you read something that says that won't happen I don't know. All I'm saying is that when it's a little closer to conroe, if you could build a yonah system for alot cheaper than a conroe one, and oc it a good amount, it would be quite nice.

And honestly, I don't care about this and that? So what would this and that be that some dual core, or even your cpu will do so much better on right now? Gaming? Movie encoding? Surfing net? No, none of the above really, not in real life use. Benchmarks that's all, the only people who will get radically better performance than me are those with better video cards. Sure they'll outperform me, but not by alot except in gaming maybe. Even then you have to ask, is 140fps so much better than 120 for gameplay? Will you even notice? And for say movie encoding for example, which relies heavily on raw clock speed (which like pretty much all games now, will NOT utilize a second core, not yet), will someones 775 socket cpu also at 4ghz do it faster than mine? Maybe a hair faster so what, not much. I know you understand, your a smart guy, and as you said yourself, even your rig is more than enough for now.

Believe me man, I don't want just an adequate system that limps by, I do like to have a computer that will do anything I want. Mine will at the moment and is quite fast at almost everything, can play games like FEAR too on almost all high settings, and plays well. Again not flaming anyone, just stating my opinion on these kinds of things, so don't take offense. That's what I'm talking about, is when peolpe say something like a rig like mine is barely sufficient or whatever, I just have to laugh. Sufficient at what? You guys crunching code for nasa or something, or playing games from the future? Granted a new system would be nice, just not even close to required yet.

Like you though, I'd like to look at a new presler system sometime in the future, probly a 940 or 950 and oc it alot. Don't think I'm contradicting you, I think me and you think alot alike in some ways from what you said. I just have trouble jumping on the dual core bandwagon as you said, since for awhile yet having a dual doesn't mean much. Once they have software that actually utilizes it, then that's a different story. Right now there are few things that a second core will even benefit from. Of course I'd rather get a dual if I was to get something now, but a cedar mill or something would treat someone right for awhile too.
    
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Originally Posted by Ropey
This is the difference between the "Enthusiast" and the "Casual Overclocker". The "Enthusiast" has the money to further their hobby. The casual overclocker is more concerned with value for price/performance.

Check the water and phase cooling sections. You will see prices that prove this point. You will not see many people concerned with the final bottom line in those areas.

Seldom will you see someone trying to get a great overclock out of a "Value" board there. Those who don't have the money are not able to entertain spending these kinds of money. Usually it has more to do with not having the money though.

I am glad your 6800 does what you want. A 6800 does NOT do what I want however and it should be seen that just because it does what you want, you can not translate that to other people and what they want.

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