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Intel's new Conroe looks to give AMD a punch to the gut -- or maybe not

Benchmarks posted yesterday of Intel's unreleased Conroe processor have sparked quite a firestorm in forums around the web. Users from both the AMD and Intel camp were quick to examine the numbers provided in the articles, but the end result was still the same -- Intel has a slam dunk with Conroe.

As is the case with benchmarks held outside of a controlled environment and conducted with equipment provided by a party that has something to gain from favorable performance numbers, suspicions have arisen over the benchmark results.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1170

To quote Rahul Sood directly:

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First of all, though it’s claimed that you’re running an FX-60 processor on the machine, I have yet to see an established motherboard and processor with an image that says "processor unknown".

You’ll notice that the image I am referring to on Anandtech's website (the bios image) states that the AMD processor is “unknown†which makes me believe that the bios they are running is outdated. So, I did a bit of digging and low and behold, the DFI bios version “D49C-32†they are running is from 10/11/05. There has been 1 major revision with major fixes that include:

Set Cool 'n' Quiet Default to Disabled

- With Cool & Quiet enabled, AMD processors will throttle in order to save power and bring their thermal load down. This means the processor could be running as low as 800MHz in certain programs – no matter what the program is. In theory Cool & Quiet is supposed to throttle up to maximum in games but this is not always the case. No enthusiast PC goes out with Cool & Quiet enabled unless it’s a fanless machine or media center.

Add Support for AMD Athlon 64 FX60 CPU

- According to DFI the FX-60 will not operate correctly without this bios update. Without official support for the FX-60 CPU I’m not sure what we’re comparing against here.

Fix Memory Timings 2-1-1-1-1 and 4-1-1 Mode Wrong & Fix Read Preamble Table Error.

- Memory latency can make a massive difference in performance. If the latency was not running at the correct latency we can see a pretty big difference in all kinds of performance. Anandtech stated “The AMD system used 1GB of DDR400 running at 2-2-2/1T timings…†Apparently this isn’t the case, but they would not be able to tell without having the platform in house.

Fix Fill 3114 SVID&SSID under Cross fire mode.

- More apparent performance issues under Crossfire mode.

Next, when you take a future Intel chipset and compare it to a chipset that no enthusiast supports (RD480) with an outdated bios it’s like taking a Ferrari and putting it on Bias-Ply tires. It’s just not a good way to show off a “new†technology.
post #2 of 24
FINALLY!!! lol i knew something was up with that *cough* joke *cough* of a benchmark.... im not a fanboy so dont tryt and bash me but i didnt think that would make that much of a difference
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... Hahaha.
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Well the Conroe is still a good chip, but its a next gen chip, AMD has yet to release theirs. Its like the tortoise and the hair intel had the P4 out early but although a little slower AMD blew it away with the AMD64. This just looks like it will be another repeat of that.
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Originally Posted by Marshall82
Well the Conroe is still a good chip, but its a next gen chip, AMD has yet to release theirs. Its like the tortoise and the hair intel had the P4 out early but although a little slower AMD blew it away with the AMD64. This just looks like it will be another repeat of that.
Well, we can just throw those benchmarks away, they arnt even legit! Well have to wait, still.
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post #6 of 24
no prob... lets go and buy the best hardware we can find and do our own benchmarks just need to get the Conroe (hmm... and also the money for the hw )
and stop say "its a next gen cpu..." whiners... if the conroe is better... the conroe is better thats it! simple as that! its not the end of the world... and for now we dont even know that...
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lol they could be legit! and if they are. mannnnn thats a nice chip. any word on prices?
    
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lol they could be legit! and if they are. mannnnn thats a nice chip. any word on prices?
the conroe 2.66GHz is a 450$ chip
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post #9 of 24
excellent, excellent find. You know something is up when it just sounds too good to be true. also the fact that 2 of the 3 demos were provided by Intel seems to show that the results might have been skewed in some fashion.
REP+ for you, good sir.
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post #10 of 24
Conroe is undoubtedly a great proccessor, but we'll have to wait for a gamer who knows how to properly set the machines up for maximum performance to do some of their own benchmarking.
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