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post #61 of 65
Zowie emailed me this when I was pestering them for answers about the EC Series before it's release. I'm a bit of a mouse nazi myself. I've owned so many mice over the years it's not funny. I keep coming back to the Intellimouse 1.1 though. The info was a little bit different to how I'd come to think of how mouse prediction works. I haven't bought one of these (yet). I've seen conflicting posts in other forums. Some people say they can feel prediction, other say they can't. If what Zowie says is true, even though I've been told my Intellimouse doesn't have prediction, it does, just minimal prediction. And even less so when I force it to 500hz. Opinions on this?

The question regarding mouse correction or prediction is very interesting, as there is no easy explanation. To give you the honest truth, it’s not about whether or not a mouse has prediction. It’s about the level of prediction it has, as all mice have some extent of prediction.

Most gamers today consider the mouse correction / prediction as a deed of pure evil which forces your mouse to make straight lines, even if you don’t want to. Our mice does not force you to do anything, so in terms of the general understanding of the gaming community, our mice does not have any mouse correction. Your movement is your own.

However, to continue the story, if there was no prediction at all in a mouse, you would only get lines that look like this:


Please note that this is even if you drag your mouse completely straight.

Why is this? Well, take a look at the surface of your mousepad. It doesn’t matter if it’s plastic, cloth or something else, but what you are looking at will most likely be textured. When running your fingers across your mousepad, you can feel that it is uneven.


To get a stable experience when using a mouse, the sensor should only track on the even points of the surface, but as this is somewhat impossible, the sensor uses prediction to even out the gap in-between fibers and particles, so your experience is stable. We believe that this is the only thing prediction should be used for, and have therefore limited the prediction to be as low as possible. The term “prediction or not” was born with some manufacturers overdoing the prediction.

To give you a better understanding, I have created these images for you:

With a 125 Hz mouse, the tracking will look as in this image, with the red arrows being prediction:


As you can see from this image, the gap the sensor needs to predict to go from point A to B is very high.

There are sensors which naturally consider the prediction to be as low as possible, but most of them have other problems. There are other ways to achieve a minimum prediction. We use the Avago 3060 sensor because it is the most stable sensor available. The Avago 3060 is an older sensor, yet it still delivers the best overall performance during extensive use, making it the optimal sensor for a competitive gaming mouse. The Avago 3060 would normally be considered to have prediction, but our 1000 Hz evens out the prediction and makes the gap it needs to predict much smaller.

Look at this picture:


As you can see in this picture, the EC-mice updates 6 times faster than a normal 125 Hz mouse.

So the final answer to the question is:

Yes, the EC-mice do have prediction, but only the minimum level required in order to have a functional mouse. In terms of how gamers currently interprets the term “prediction”, then the EC-series would not be considered to have prediction.

I hope our honesty will be appreciated in the community. Trying out the mice will truly show that we have taken all of these things into consideration, and that our mice allows for free movement.

Best regards,

Danny Ramkvist
Chief Marketing Officer

Link to Avago 3060 data sheet
post #62 of 65
Originally Posted by T.J.;12650619 
Zowie emailed me this

Thanks for that! Great read! I'd also consider myself a mouse nazi!
Have you used the XAI? So far my favourite mouse, although still a tiny bit to big and the buttons could be even better.

But realistically there is no such thing as the PERFECT mouse... XAI is the closest I've found so far...
post #63 of 65
Originally Posted by lmnop;9930900 
the following is a list of sensors and mice with the ability to turn path correction down or completely off by driver or firmware update.
Cypress OvationONS Laser
Mionix Saiph 3200
steelseries ikari laser
Mad Catz Cyborg R.A.T 3
What about the Mionix Saiph 1800? I don't see it in the list.

The reason I ask is this: I work in PhotoShop a lot and also play games regularly (low sensitivity gamer), for which I've been using my Logitech G5 mouse (5 years), but it recently broke.

Considering my budget I have 3 options for mice to buy: Mionix Saiph 1800, Mionix Naos 3200 (optical), Microsoft SideWinder (no X). I prefer the first 2 overall, but I pretty much only care about the sensor: it's critical that it feels having no correction/prediction/angle snapping and also no acceleration at all (it's fine if they do but have options to fully disable them of course). Which of those 3 comes closer to those requirements? I'm thinking the Saiph.

Thanks a lot.
Edited by vvvvvv - 4/24/11 at 10:16am
post #64 of 65
^ Anyone?
post #65 of 65
If you're on a budget and hate prediction why not get something with an MLT04 sensor?

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