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post #3081 of 6461
These mem tests can fluctuate very much... They are very inconsistent...
    
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KingT;13305531 
@ MUff1N

To me it looks like results are flawed as the latency on both tests is pretty much identical but the Read/Write/Copy is differnt..

Try to redo the tests and/or rinstall Everest..

CHEERS..
That's the exact point I was making...the diff is the throughput of the RAM with the exact same setting applied!
I've run numerous tests not just with Everest but with Sandra as well with the same results.
Even Sandra says the G.Skill is only at 32% efficiency & that's at 1066!
It's not the programing at all, but the diff between D9 chips in the Corsair & whatever crap the G.Skill has in it. wink.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by turrican9;13305650 
These mem tests can fluctuate very much... They are very inconsistent...
I don't thinks so because it's constantly 3,000mbs below the Corsair's throughput or more...in Sandra as well. wink.gif

I just thought maybe you guys has some insight into this but I guess not...
Thanks anyways... cool.gif

Anyways I also posted this problem on the G.Skill forum & this is the response I got back from the Forum Admin that usually helps everyone that posts there with their RAM issues...
So there is a problem with them & most likely will have to RMA them for replacements... wink.gif


"whoooaaa G.Skill slaughtered! haha

Post some screen shots of advanced timings, make sure they are the same as your other kit. There's definitely a problem, those G.Skill sticks are performing like DDR2-667 or standard DDR2-800!

Thank you
GSKILL TECH
"
Edited by MUff1N - 4/28/11 at 4:09pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MUff1N;13311294 
That's the exact point I was making...the diff is the throughput of the RAM with the exact same setting applied!
I've run numerous tests not just with Everest but with Sandra as well with the same results.
Even Sandra says the G.Skill is only at 32% efficiency & that's at 1066!
It's not the programing at all, but the diff between D9 chips in the Corsair & whatever crap the G.Skill has in it. wink.gif


I don't thinks so because it's constantly 3,000mbs below the Corsair's throughput or more...in Sandra as well. wink.gif

I just thought maybe you guys has some insight into this but I guess not...
Thanks anyways... cool.gif

Anyways I also posted this problem on the G.Skill forum & this is the response I got back from the Forum Admin that usually helps everyone that posts there with their RAM issues...
So there is a problem with them & most likely will have to RMA them for replacements... wink.gif


"whoooaaa G.Skill slaughtered! haha

Post some screen shots of advanced timings, make sure they are the same as your other kit. There's definitely a problem, those G.Skill sticks are performing like DDR2-667 or standard DDR2-800!

Thank you
GSKILL TECH
"

You should make sure all sub-mem timings run the same at Auto. If not, set them to manual. And pay extra attention to those 2nd row timings. Those two read to read timings make a huge impact on performance. They are usually at 4 and 6 when at 800MHz and at Auto.
    
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Quote:
Originally Posted by donrapello;13293216 
Otherwise looking pretty good.. but your fsb freq is so high that you won't get that fixed only by upping vcore..
Faster failure on Blend i guess tells that your ram ain't stable.. there has been problems with 1066mhz ram with Pro Turbo if i remember right.

I had a E8500 running with 513x8.. to get it stable i had to play with Cpu PLL voltage,Fsb term. Voltage, Nb voltage & Cpu Gtl ref.. it took a week of testing wink.gif

You really should use KingT's method found in this thread to get your board stable with that high fsb before starting to play with vcore.

I needed 1.58v for Cpu PLL to get it stable fsb @ 513. Fsb Term.Volt @ 1.3.
NB voltage seems a bit high for me too.. I only needed 1.28-1.32v and gtl ref 0.63x or 0.65x.

E8500 wasn't enought for BFBC2 with my gtx 570.. even @ 4.1Ghz+.
it really needs quad core to run better, since it uses alot of cpu power.
I play it too so that's a big reason i upgraded to quad-core.

Could you point me to the page in this thread for KingT's post on his method?

I can't seem to locate it. Thread has over 300 pages...
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@ Micma

It seems that you need to tune your vFSB, vNB and CPU GTL voltages in order to make such high FSB Prime95 stable..

Do not just crank up those voltages,start from 1.3V for vFSB and 1.36V for vNB and go from there..

Also set CPU GTL at 0.63x..

If you fail in P95 just upp vFSB by 0.02V and test again..

If upping vFSB for a couple of times (up to 1.40V) doesn't help try with other settings for CPU GTL (0.61x and 0.65x)

If that doesn't help then try to upp vNB to 1.40V..

Also make sure that you have AI Transaction Booster @ MANUAL and Performance Level @ 10

The best is to use P95 Large FFT test as it stresses FSB really hard..

Also test your RAM for stability with memtest Windows version 4.0 until it reaches at least 100% on both instances (lounch two of them)..

Testing methodology:

1. First test OC with 6x multi with P95 LARGE FFT for at least 6h (12h is ideal) and stock Vcore as your CPU would be running @ 533MHz FSB x6=3.2GHz..

If you pass 12hrs P95 Large FFT then:

2. Reboot to BIOS upp your Vcore and set MULTI to 8x (or whatever you want)..

3. If it doesn't boot keep adding Vcore untill it does..

Then when it boots up:

4. Go in Windows test 533MHz FSB x multi =4.xxGHz with 20 runs of IBT w/ max RAM and if you crash then just upp Vcore and test it again..

5. If you pass 12hrs of P95 LARGE FFT & IBT for 20 runs then you're ROCK SOLID..

KEEP YOUR CORE TEMPS UNDER 75C IN ANY STRESS TEST..

CHEERS..
Edited by KingT - 4/30/11 at 6:35am
     
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I did some tests & found that the Corsair set [that has the D9 chips] will run at 1000MHz @ 5-5-5-15 / 2.10v. This is the same as the G.Skill runs at...
So I just added the Corsair set along with the G.Skill set & wadda ya know, with the Corsair install it made the G.Skill run faster too! eek.gif
So now I got 6 Gigs of memory installed & getting much better throughput & my system is still stable! biggrin.gif
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post #3087 of 6461
Quote:
Originally Posted by KingT;13328978 
@ Micma

It seems that you need to tune your vFSB, vNB and CPU GTL voltages in order to make such high FSB Prime95 stable..

Do not just crank up those voltages,start from 1.3V for vFSB and 1.36V for vNB and go from there..

Also set CPU GTL at 0.63x..

If you fail in P95 just upp vFSB by 0.02V and test again..

If upping vFSB for a couple of times (up to 1.40V) doesn't help try with other settings for CPU GTL (0.61x and 0.65x)

If that doesn't help then try to upp vNB to 1.40V..

Also make sure that you have AI Transaction Booster @ MANUAL and Performance Level @ 10

The best is to use P95 Large FFT test as it stresses FSB really hard..

Also test your RAM for stability with memtest Windows version 4.0 until it reaches at least 100% on both instances (lounch two of them)..

Testing methodology:

1. First test OC with 6x multi with P95 LARGE FFT for at least 6h (12h is ideal) and stock Vcore as your CPU would be running @ 533MHz FSB x6=3.2GHz..

If you pass 12hrs P95 Large FFT then:

2. Reboot to BIOS upp your Vcore and set MULTI to 8x (or whatever you want)..

3. If it doesn't boot keep adding Vcore untill it does..

Then when it boots up:

4. Go in Windows test 533MHz FSB x multi =4.xxGHz with 20 runs of IBT w/ max RAM and if you crash then just upp Vcore and test it again..

5. If you pass 12hrs of P95 LARGE FFT & IBT for 20 runs then you're ROCK SOLID..

KEEP YOUR CORE TEMPS UNDER 75C IN ANY STRESS TEST..

CHEERS..


ouch! looks like this is gonna be a long week!!!!

2 questions to get me started:

what would be stock volt for cpu? when on auto I see 1.408 in cpuz

and what about PLL volts? do I leave that on auto?

The rest I seem to comprehend, what were trying to achieve is stabilize the FSB in P95 before OC the CPU!

I started the tests with cpu volt @1.225 and PLL on auto cpuz shows 1.216 on load.
all settings for 0.63x, 0.61x, 065x failed pretty quickly with nb at 1.36.

restart from scratch with nb @ 1.38

063x failed

currently testing 0.61x

Thanks for your input on this...
Edited by Micma - 4/30/11 at 9:54pm
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@ Micma

Use these settings and only play with Vcore, vNB, vFSB and CPU GTL, the rest use from the template:

FSB freq = 533Hz
DRAM TIMINGS=5-5-5-15 or by memory spec
STRAP=AUTO
DRAM freq= 1066MHz
DRAM STATIC READ CONTROL = DISABLED
DRAM READ TRAINING = DISABLED
OC charger=Enabled
AI Transaction booster=MANUAL
Performance Level = 10
CPU multiplier = 8x

Vcore=1.xxV (what Chip needs to hit 4.25GHz,add a bit if you crash,do not go over 1.40V and do not use AUTO setting)

CPU GTL = 0.63x
PLL=1.54V
FSB voltage=1.30V (and work from there but do not go over 1.40V)
DRAM voltage=x.xxV (by memory specs)
NBv=1.36V (do not go over 1.40V)
SBv=1.2V
PCIE/SATA voltage=1.60V
CPU & PCIE Spread spectrum=Disable
CPU & NB skew=AUTO
Load Line Calibration=ENABLED

All options in CPU Configuration set @ DISABLE and CPU MULTI @ 8x..

It seems that you need to tune your vFSB, vNB and CPU GTL voltages in order to make such high FSB Prime95 stable..

Do not just crank up those voltages,start from 1.3V for vFSB and 1.36V for vNB and go from there..

Also set CPU GTL at 0.63x..

If you fail in P95 just upp vFSB by 0.02V and test again..

If upping vFSB for a couple of times (up to 1.40V) doesn't help try with other settings for CPU GTL (0.61x and 0.65x)

If that doesn't help then try to upp vNB to 1.40V..

Also make sure that you have AI Transaction Booster @ MANUAL and Performance Level @ 10

The best is to use P95 Large FFT test as it stresses FSB really hard..

Also test your RAM for stability with memtest Windows version 4.0 until it reaches at least 100% on both instances (lounch two of them)..

Testing methodology:

1. First test OC with 6x multi with P95 LARGE FFT for at least 6h (12h is ideal) and stock Vcore as your CPU would be running @ 533MHz FSB x6=3.2GHz..

If you pass 12hrs P95 Large FFT then:

2. Reboot to BIOS upp your Vcore and set MULTI to 8x (or whatever you want)..

3. If it doesn't boot keep adding Vcore untill it does..

Then when it boots up:

4. Go in Windows test 533MHz FSB x multi =4.xxGHz with 20 runs of IBT w/ max RAM and if you crash then just upp Vcore and test it again..

5. If you pass 12hrs of P95 LARGE FFT & IBT for 20 runs then you're ROCK SOLID..

KEEP YOUR CORE TEMPS UNDER 75C IN ANY STRESS TEST..

CHEERS..
     
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KingT

I've ordered myself a 2500K setup. So now I have the following available for 'donating' to you (You only pay the shipping + a tad more). Shipping will be about 46 Euros, will have to make sure of this at the post office.

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Following KingT's advice my new template used as a starting point:

P5Q Pro Turbo * E8400 e0 * Corsair dominator 2x2gb CM2X2048C5D XMS2-8500 1066mhz 2.10v ver. 2.1

JumperFree Configuration Settings

AI Overclock tuner:...........................Manual
CPU Ratio Setting:............................8
FSB Frequency:................................533 mhz
PCI-E Frequency:..............................100
FSB Strap to North Bridge:....................AUTO
DRAM Frequency:...............................DDR2-1068 (closest to 1066)

DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information : 5-5-5-15-3-52-6-3

CAS# Latency:.........................5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay:..............5
DRAM RAS# Precharge:..................5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge:......15
RAS# to RAS# Delay :..................AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time:...............AUTO
Write Recovery Time:..................AUTO
Read to Precharge Time:...............AUTO

2nd Information : 7-3-5-10-5-4-7

READ to WRITE Delay (S/D):............AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S):..............AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D):..............AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S):...............AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D):...............AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S):.............AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D):.............AUTO

3rd Information : 14-5-1-6-6

WRITE to PRE Delay:...................AUTO
READ to PRE Delay:....................AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay:.....................AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay:.................AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay:.................AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control:.............Disabled
DRAM Read Training:...................Disabled
MEM. OC Charger:......................Enabled
AI Clock Twister:.....................Lighter
AI Transaction Booster:...............Manual
Common Performance Level..............[10]
All Pull-Ins..........................Disabled

CPU Voltage:..........................1.30000 (volts needed to post and boot windows, cpuz shows 1.288 under load)
CPU GTL Voltage Reference:............0.63x
CPU PLL Voltage:......................1.54
FSB Termination Voltage:..............1.30
DRAM Voltage:.........................2.10
NBridge Voltage:......................1.36
SBridge Voltage:......................1.20
PCIE SATA Voltage:....................1.60

Load Line Calibration:................Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum:..................Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum:.................Disabled
CPU Clock Skew :......................AUTO
NB Clock Skew :.......................AUTO
Enhancement:..........................Performance

Advanced CPU Settings

CPU Ratio Setting ....................8.0
C1E Support...........................DISABLED
Max CPUID Value Limit.................DISABLED
Intel (R) Virtualization Tech.........DISABLED
CPU TM Function.......................DISABLED
Execute Disable Bit...................DISABLED


I've set mutiplier to 6x and starting testing as per KingT's methodology

Thanks KingT for your advice.
Edited by Micma - 5/1/11 at 8:58am
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