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post #341 of 6481
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Originally Posted by liskawc View Post
ok,
for the future though, if you wanna test your rams just put 1 stick in the first slot (in the case of p5q pro turbo this is the leftmost yellow slot) and set the bios settings you wish to set and then run memtest, etc.
then repeat the same thing for the other stick.

if both pass the tests alone, then they should pass them together aswell (if they dont you need to increase the nb voltage)
I have tested RAM in dual channel 800Mhz in MemTEst, and OK...~30 pass passed. If you can give me a little explanation to this BIOS settings:
JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner:
CPU Ratio Setting:
FSB Strap to North Bridge:
FSB Frequency:
PCI-E Frequency:
DRAM Frequency:
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1:
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2:
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1:
DRAM Timing Control:

1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 65
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

2nd Information :

READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO

3rd Information :

WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: Lighter
AI Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level [10]
Pull-In of CHA PH1: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH2: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH3: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH4: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH1: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH2: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH3: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH4: ENABLED

CPU Voltage: 1.28750
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.630
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.670
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.28
DRAM Voltage: 2.14
NB Voltage: 1.26
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: 1.10
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.50

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
NB Clock Skew : AUTO

C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Enabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Enabled
CPU TM Function: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
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post #342 of 6481
I just edited your post if you dont mind
JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: this thing lets you put in your own settings on manual
CPU Ratio Setting: this is the multiplier of the cpu
FSB Strap to North Bridge: i leave mine on auto (intel says these values are some predefined latencies for certain nb fsb speeds)
FSB Frequency: this is the frequency of the fsb bus, multiply it by 4 to get your fsb (i believe that the 4 comes from 4 "wires")
PCI-E Frequency: set this to 100 or max to 110 (mine is at 101 because i like the number)
DRAM Frequency: this is the ram frequency, at which the ram operates
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: clk skew tells you when the signal is a bit slow/soon, here s a link that says it a lot nicer than i, http://forums.techarena.in/guides-tutorials/1210619.htm
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2:same
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: same
DRAM Timing Control: if you use this manual then you set your own settings for the ram

1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 65
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

2nd Information :

READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO

3rd Information :

WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO

here is explained what these values mean> http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/artic...M-Timings/26/2
old article but still good enough

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled - allows some lower latency but doesnt like overclocking
DRAM Read Training: AUTO - sorry dunno what it does but i have it on disabled as does post #2
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO - i believe this increases the overclocking of ram
AI Clock Twister: Lighter - adjusts timings, stronger means tighter timings
AI Transaction Booster: Manual - this is the performance level settings, personnaly i have it on auto until i hit my desired frequencys
Common Performance Level [10]
Pull-In of CHA PH1: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH2: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH3: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH4: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH1: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH2: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH3: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH4: ENABLED

CPU Voltage: 1.28750 - vcore
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.630
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.670 - gtl is gunning transciever logic, you can learn more about it here> http://www.edgeofstability.com/artic.../gtl/gtl1.html
basicaly it sets the the 1s and 0s on your motherboard

p.s: these settings are put off from auto when you get a good overclock that is already stable and just wanna icrease you stabiltiy - i.e. you can run 12hrs of p95 but not 13, then you play with these settings
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52 - pll means phased locked loop and its the clock generator, i think that max safe is 1.58v (mine is on 1.54v)
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.28 (same value as mine here), this thing tells when a 1 is a 1 and a 0 a 0
DRAM Voltage: 2.14 - voltage of ram
NB Voltage: 1.26 - i ve got mine on 1.36 (if you cant post and think its your ram try this on auto)
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: 1.10
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.50

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled - varies the frequency slighlty, not really sure if it improves overclocking but mine is also disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : Normal - put this on auto aswell please, as auto is good for up to 485 ob fsb freq (so far i tested)
NB Clock Skew : AUTO

C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Enabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Enabled
CPU TM Function: Enabled - turns off cpu when its too hot
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled

these settings on the end .. i really dunno what they do but i just did what post #2 said and left everything else as it was

so what i would try first is putting GTLs on auto (i still have them on auto until i get to fsb of 500+)

not really sure if all the stuff i wrote is correct so feel free to correct me
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Hello guys, I know the timings for my RAM, so I put it in the BIOS manually 5-5-5-15 at voltage of 2.2V. Simple channel that a yellow card and one black. I set how you say 1:1 (default CPU FSBto 266 abd RAM FSB to 533) and works well ... but the real RAM work at 262 MHz ... That PDF on the official site I read and I understand what is there.
Update the BIOS to do the version of the 602 official site, or you have a newer version of bios?
Hi mihuman, BIOS version 0602 is the newest one to date (and probably the last updated ASUS will do... I don't think another one will be upcoming).

The RAM clock is probably correct (though setting 533 should give you a real clock of 266 instead of 262 assuming there are no drops) the way it shows or works.

I would recommend you to reference the helpful tips on 1st page 2nd post in this thread if you haven't done so. Read also the guides there too for further general overclocking knowledge when you have more time.

In my opinion, PRO Turbo's user guide manual is a handy tool.

You should try install the paired Kingston RAMs in yellow slots for dual channel operation (theoretically dual channel operation offers twice the bandwidth compared to single channel operation, and that the main purpose of having a paired RAMs!)

EDIT: Do post your BIOS settings so we can better assist you!
Edited by ocman - 9/14/10 at 8:41am
     
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Hey toazd, I believe your M0 chip can doing even better than my R0 chip below...

Do you remember how far you could go stable at 1.24/1.248 volts?

I installed almost all of the Asus utilities and its funny because TurboV reports I'm running at 1.2625v when thats not even what I have set in the BIOS.

AI Suite shows the same idle/load voltage as CPUz (1.240/1.248).

Asus PC Probe II and AI suite Temperatures do not agree with what RealTemp and CoreTemp are showing either. With AI Suite I get a load temperature of 52c and RealTemp/CoreTemp each show 55/57c. AI Suite shows an idle temperature of 26/27c and Realtemp/CoreTemp show idle temperatures of 37/39c.

So the readings for the CPU voltage and temperatures are all over the board

Asus TurboV does show the same values as I have set in the BIOS for everything else. The CPU voltage is the only one that all these programs including the BIOS hardware monitor do not agree with what I have set in the BIOS.

The 3.3/5/12v readings are the exact opposite, they are showing the same in the BIOS hardware monitor as in windows with Asus PC Probe II.

Even though they are not showing the same voltages for the CPU, the one thing that is common among them all is that everything is showing a voltage that is lower than what I have set for CPU voltage in the BIOS.

I'm thinking about updating the BIOS to the modded one and see if that fixes any of these readings. I doubt it will change it though but I really don't have any other ideas.
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Do you remember how far you could go stable at 1.24/1.248 volts?

I installed almost all of the Asus utilities and its funny because TurboV reports I'm running at 1.2625v when thats not even what I have set in the BIOS.

AI Suite shows the same idle/load voltage as CPUz (1.240/1.248).

Asus PC Probe II and AI suite Temperatures do not agree with what RealTemp and CoreTemp are showing either. With AI Suite I get a load temperature of 52c and RealTemp/CoreTemp each show 55/57c. AI Suite shows an idle temperature of 26/27c and Realtemp/CoreTemp show idle temperatures of 37/39c.

So the readings for the CPU voltage and temperatures are all over the board

Asus TurboV does show the same values as I have set in the BIOS for everything else. The CPU voltage is the only one that all these programs including the BIOS hardware monitor do not agree with what I have set in the BIOS.

The 3.3/5/12v readings are the exact opposite, they are showing the same in the BIOS hardware monitor as in windows with Asus PC Probe II.

Even though they are not showing the same voltages for the CPU, the one thing that is common among them all is that everything is showing a voltage that is lower than what I have set for CPU voltage in the BIOS.

I'm thinking about updating the BIOS to the modded one and see if that fixes any of these readings. I doubt it will change it though but I really don't have any other ideas.
Hi toazd, for TurboV, my guess is that it will report correctly if the actual VCore reading in Windows is above 1.25V... maybe I'm wrong...

Also, because of VDroop, actual VCore will be less than the actual VCore you have set. e.g. I've set 1.42500V for VCore in BIOS... but it only get 1.4V after boot up.

As for thermal sensors reading programs may have slightly different naming and/or layout... maybe they are wrong, maybe not. Assuming I'm on the right track... in my experience, there are always temp. differences between CPU temp, CPU Core 0 temp, and CPU Core 1 temp... not sure if this is what you were also talking about?

Sure, give the modded BIOS a try, but remember to backup your current BIOS. Please post updates about using the modded BIOS. Thanks in advance.

I've sent PM to eR_L0k0!!, and he replied saying he might try the modded BIOS by Ket this weekend if he has time.

P.S. It's kinda funny, that it take a tad bit more to pass Prime95 tests compared to IntelBurnTest 2.5 when the latter actually generate more heat during tests...

I don't exactly remember the highest speed my E5200 can do with 1.24V... but I do have a screen shot with E5200 passed 20 runs of IBT @ 3.75 GHz with 1.304V (CPU-Z reading).


While the screen shot below is my E5200 passed 20 runs of IBT @ 3.875 GHz with 1.336V (CPU-Z reading).


I could do one step voltage lower for both test speeds, but the results were not as good. Hope these help!
Edited by ocman - 9/14/10 at 9:38am
     
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I decided to drop my old Q6600 into this motherboard, and got to 3.6GHz in 2 minutes. The only thing I noticed is this motherboard doesn't like high voltages. I don't know why, everytime I got to the 1.65v area, it would give me an error saying overvolt failed or something.

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not really sure at which volts its starts but theres a jumper for higher voltages up above the rams i believe, maybe that ll help?
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Yeah, I can go up to 2.1v (already changed the jumper). Strange problem, but it doesn't really bother me much.
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not really sure at which volts its starts but theres a jumper for higher voltages up above the rams i believe, maybe that ll help?
I agreed.

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I decided to drop my old Q6600 into this motherboard, and got to 3.6GHz in 2 minutes. The only thing I noticed is this motherboard doesn't like high voltages. I don't know why, everytime I got to the 1.65v area, it would give me an error saying overvolt failed or something.
Hi Voltazar, there's a jumper for CPU OV_CPU (Check the user guide manual if needed, it indicates where that jumper is on page 2-22)

P.S. sorry liskawc, you know where the jumper is... I was quoting the wrong posts...

Voltazar, alright, just a reminder to make sure computer is turned off, power cord disconnected before adjusting your mobo physical settings. Don't set voltage over 1.45V for a long period of time.
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Hey Voltazar, i noticed your QX9650 validation you've used OCZ Platinum PC2-6400 RAMs, what voltage did you set for the RAMs?
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Intel Celeron D 340J @ 3.23 GHz MachSpeed Matrix P4M800 Asus A9250 128MB AGP 8X 2 x 1GB Patriot DDR400 Memory 
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320GB Seagate 7200RPM HDD LG 16X DVD Rewriter LG 52X CD Rewriter Masscool CPU HSF 
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Windows XP + Windows 7 55" SONY BRAVIA EX710 Series LED HDTV Logitech's (White) Included 400W 
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Power Up Blue 2526 Quantum Series ATX Mid-Tower Verbatim's (up to 2000 dpi with blue light) a thin one (got it for free) onboard 
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cheap 5.1 sound card 3.5" Japanese brand name card reader + floppy d... 
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Intel Celeron M 370 C0 @ 2GHz (oc'ed) Dell's B120 (Chipset: Intel i915GMS/i910GML) Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 2 X 1GB OCZ PC2 5300 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
40GB 5400RPM / Toshiba MK4032GAX Combo Drive: 24x/10x/24x CD-RW and 8x DVD-ROM Dell Inspiron B120 WinXP SP3 
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14.1" WXGA TFT Display with 1280 x 800 resolution Dell Inspiron B120 Dell Inspiron B120 Dell Inspiron B120 
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Microsoft Explorer Mini Mouse with BlueTrack Te... SigmaTel Sound Card Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN ExpressCard/34 802.11b/g 56Kbps modem and 10/100 Mbps Integrated Network... 
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Ports: 3x USB 2.0, VGA out, 1x ExpressCard/54 (... 
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