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Oh, what values do you think I should put, I've tried looking everywhere but they still don't get me answers on what values I should put. Not all E8400's are the same, yeah I understand that, but does not anyone know like between what and what numbers I should put into these values. I've tried manually setting it myself but it only gives me even poorer performance.
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Try with some different program than 3Dmark, Aida64 or Performance Test from Passmark and compare with different CPU's. That way you can see if the cpu is really the culprit smile.gif
But leaving everything on Auto is generally a bad idea unless you do not go over the standard FSB frequency of your CPU. If you keep stuff at Auto the heat generation is much higher and can potentially destroy your components. VTT termination voltage and PLL Voltage are often set to way too high voltage levels that even go beyond the Intel Maximum Tolerances. Lets not hope that your components are degrading as we speak.
Out of curiousity what are your VTT/PLL voltages on Auto at 445Mhz fsb?

Another thing is, I'm not sure how to check VTT/PLL voltages when set at Auto since it doesn't show me on BIOS.
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Another thing is, I'm not sure how to check VTT/PLL voltages when set at Auto since it doesn't show me on BIOS.

Hi there! Welcome to OCN. To check your voltages use HW monitor. Keep trying! These guysre really knowledgable. You're in a good place to get some help, thumb.gif
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Another thing is, I'm not sure how to check VTT/PLL voltages when set at Auto since it doesn't show me on BIOS.

Oh right, I don't have the same mainboard as you, because my bios actually shows the current voltage of all my components.

Well for the PLL you most likely want to keep that on standard, which should be 1.50v±,(Intel's standard) and at most 1.60v but its highly unlikely for an FSB of 445Mhz to increase the PLL voltage to get it stable.

Standard VTT voltage for your processor is about 1.20v and an overclock of 445mhz FSB without GTL tuning I'd say 1.3V is more then enough. Absolute maximum for your CPU is 1.45v but in principle Intel's saying that this is already way above the normal safe operating voltage and could harm your CPU or at least degrade it alot faster.


My Quad system is running stable now at 480MHz with only 1.23-1.29v VTT. Before I tweaked the GTL values i had to put it on 1.36-1.40v to keep it from freezing. (Old values were still somewhat in the 'safe' range of immediate danger but I was not comfortable with it, tuning my GTL's allowed me to drop the voltage alot smile.gif



The PLL and VTT voltages are the ones to keep a close eye on, too high and you may fry your CPU.

Its easy to put them at a high number for the sake of overclocking but the real deal is to keep everything as low as possible with adjusted GTL Reference voltages.

If you've ran with all those settings on Auto for all that time, nobody here can guess what of an effect it might have had on your system's components. Alot of P45 mainboards put the voltages at pretty high levels when you keep the settings on auto and manually adjust your FSB to overclocking levels (400+MHz). Since your computer hasn't really gave an indication of instability except for the weird slowdown I wouldn't think something was damaged, but who knows.)

For the Northbridge (Assuming you have P45 NB) 1.2v approximately should be more then enough for that FSB, perhaps even too high. I can achieve 1.20v stability with my Quad at 466MHz FSB, your NB with dual core CPU and 445MHz wouldn't need more then 1.2v. Standard is 1.1v by Intels specs but 1.2v is not abnormal when fitting 4 memory modules in the mainboard and/or running Crossfire cards. 1.3/1.35v is still considered reasonably safe by most of us (At least by me tongue.gif), but >1.35v/1.40v is getting into the riskzone for faster degradation.
Edited by Marctraider - 3/22/12 at 5:35pm
post #5465 of 6481
So I just spent over an hour playing with various overclock settings and NOTHING was working. I was really perplexed when I still got BSODs with everything set to AUTO. Turns out that at one point the BIOS was completely reset to stock and it got changed to IDE mode, while my HDD was set for ACHI. Sure enough, flipped to ACHI and booted like a charm. rolleyes.gif

I did find this thread over at XtremeSystems which should help for those of us playing around with GTL settings. I haven't been able to find anything that works to my satisfaction yet though. I'll give it another go tomorrow. thumb.gif
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Hi guys, I hope you can help me.
I'm running C2D E6550(Stepping B, rev. G0) on P5Q Pro(BIOS 2/23/2009) motherboard, and I can't go past 465FSB frequency.
PC will bot on any FSB settings on stock voltages (except for OC'ed DDR), but on 470MHz and up everything I get is black screen after saving BIOS setup. Settings for 533FSB Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show) also didn't managed to break the 465 wall.
I hope you can help me. Thanks in advance
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Oh right, I don't have the same mainboard as you, because my bios actually shows the current voltage of all my components.
Well for the PLL you most likely want to keep that on standard, which should be 1.50v±,(Intel's standard) and at most 1.60v but its highly unlikely for an FSB of 445Mhz to increase the PLL voltage to get it stable.
Standard VTT voltage for your processor is about 1.20v and an overclock of 445mhz FSB without GTL tuning I'd say 1.3V is more then enough. Absolute maximum for your CPU is 1.45v but in principle Intel's saying that this is already way above the normal safe operating voltage and could harm your CPU or at least degrade it alot faster.
My Quad system is running stable now at 480MHz with only 1.23-1.29v VTT. Before I tweaked the GTL values i had to put it on 1.36-1.40v to keep it from freezing. (Old values were still somewhat in the 'safe' range of immediate danger but I was not comfortable with it, tuning my GTL's allowed me to drop the voltage alot smile.gif
The PLL and VTT voltages are the ones to keep a close eye on, too high and you may fry your CPU.
Its easy to put them at a high number for the sake of overclocking but the real deal is to keep everything as low as possible with adjusted GTL Reference voltages.
If you've ran with all those settings on Auto for all that time, nobody here can guess what of an effect it might have had on your system's components. Alot of P45 mainboards put the voltages at pretty high levels when you keep the settings on auto and manually adjust your FSB to overclocking levels (400+MHz). Since your computer hasn't really gave an indication of instability except for the weird slowdown I wouldn't think something was damaged, but who knows.)
For the Northbridge (Assuming you have P45 NB) 1.2v approximately should be more then enough for that FSB, perhaps even too high. I can achieve 1.20v stability with my Quad at 466MHz FSB, your NB with dual core CPU and 445MHz wouldn't need more then 1.2v. Standard is 1.1v by Intels specs but 1.2v is not abnormal when fitting 4 memory modules in the mainboard and/or running Crossfire cards. 1.3/1.35v is still considered reasonably safe by most of us (At least by me tongue.gif), but >1.35v/1.40v is getting into the riskzone for faster degradation.

Thanks! I'll try those out. And by slowdowns I mean like frequent lag spikes, especially in Grand Theft Auto IV, and I know it's the processor because when I change out some settings, it gets faster, and sometimes slower.
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So I just spent over an hour playing with various overclock settings and NOTHING was working. I was really perplexed when I still got BSODs with everything set to AUTO. Turns out that at one point the BIOS was completely reset to stock and it got changed to IDE mode, while my HDD was set for ACHI. Sure enough, flipped to ACHI and booted like a charm. rolleyes.gif
I did find this thread over at XtremeSystems which should help for those of us playing around with GTL settings. I haven't been able to find anything that works to my satisfaction yet though. I'll give it another go tomorrow. thumb.gif

OHHHHH that's what it's for wow
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Hi I'm hoping someone will be able to help with my overclock since I now have a quad core cpu.

Components:
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I have been given some screen shots to get 4Ghz but when I applied the settings; hit F10 to save and went back into Windows CPU-Z didn't show any changes.

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449

Can anyone advise please?
Should I be using the modded Bios' shown on the first page?

Edit - I can't even obtain the bios' since the SOPA action against mega upload. Does anyone know where I can get these from now? The P5Q deluxe ones from Ket is what I need (same as in the link here http://www.overclock.net/t/773046/official-asus-p5q-pro-turbo-pro-turbo-owners-club-all-asus-p45-mobo-owners-welcome/2200#post_12672910)
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Why does my cpu run at 2ghz at stock? I have speedstep disabled or enabled and it makes no difference.

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