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post #861 of 6481
@wumpus

I was just saying that you can`t flash different size BIOS file on EPROM chip..

P5Q Pro TURBO and Premium mobos differ phisically as well :8 vs 16 phase for CPU and few other chips and Premium has 4 PCIE x16 slots vs 2x PCIE of Pro/Pro TURBO modell..

So tere`s lot of difference between them besides BIOS OC options..

CHEERS..
Edited by KingT - 12/27/10 at 6:08am
     
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@wumpus

I was just saying that you can`t flash different size BIOS file on EPROM chip..

P5Q Pro TURBO and Premium mobos differ phisically as well :8 vs 16 phase for CPU and few other chips and Premium has 4 PCIE x16 slots vs 2x PCIE of Pro/Pro TURBO modell..

So tere`s lot of difference between them besides BIOS OC options..

CHEERS..
it will only use whats available on the board.i changed my bios chips from -e to deluxe even though the deluxe has 16 phase compared to the -e it worked fine.
    
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what ram would you reccommend for my setup? (got p5q pro trubo) I want to get to 3.6ghz OC

currently running pc2 5300 667 mhz 4gb ram

want to upgrade to like

pc2 6400 800mhz or

pc2 8500?

also 2gb or 4? considering vista only sees 3.5

thanks
get the pc2 8500 best to have more mhz.
    
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it will only use whats available on the board.i changed my bios chips from -e to deluxe even though the deluxe has 16 phase compared to the -e it worked fine.
P5Q -E & Deluxe are way more similar boards than Premium & Pro/Pro TURBO..

And even Pro & Pro TURBO are 95% identical mobos when I flashed my pro with TURBO BIOS Firewire didn`t work becouse of IRQ was not properly assigned trough TURBO BIOS and Marwell SATA ports because TURBO uses J-Micron controller..

And there is BIOS size problem as AFUDOS or EZ flash won`t let you to flash diff sized BIOS file..

If someone knows how to forceflash AMI BIOS (file size error) on Asus mobo feel free to let me know as I will try it..

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Hi again,

I have worked on my P5Q Pro Turbo around the clock the last days. After I switched mem from Crucial Ballistix PC6400 8GB (due to some strange problems at weaker timings) to Geil Black Dragon 8GB. All seemed fine at 3.825GHZ with RAM running on 850MHz 5-5-5-15 1.9v. Tested LinX for 10 hours etc.. etc... However, I had some strange freezing problems once in a while. This occured mostly when I ran Windows Performance assessement or 3DMark11. I also tried my CPU at 3915MHz (Mem at 870MHz). This also seemed fine with LinX for hours. However those strange freeze problems occured again. And today I discovered that they where more frequent than when I was running 3825MHz. I didn't suspect the mem since it has been tested ok up to around 930MHz at 1.9v 5-5-5-15 in my Gigabyte board. I have scratched my head for days, trying almost every setting in bios.

Today I finally nailed it....

It turned out to be the RAM subtimings... Those timings one almost never touch. I had a printout from Everest using those same mem sticks in my Gigabyte board, and I compared ram timings with those subtimings that was auto detected by the P5Q Pro Turbo.

Turned out I had to turn these settings 2 notches up from what the bios autodetected:

2nd Information :

READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): 8 > 10
Write to Read Delay (S): 3 > 5
WRITE to READ Delay (D): 5 > 7
READ to READ Delay (S): 4 > 6
READ to READ Delay (D): 6 > 8
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): 4 > 6
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): 7 > 9


After I did this my problems where gone. This is what has been keeping me from reaching 4GHz + This only goes to show that one must not always ignore those subtimings.

No overclocking FAQ or forum could have helped me out with this. They all ignore those subtimings. It is possible though that all the listed compatible mem for the P5Q Pro Turbo will work with these auto settings. And have not checked to see if my mem is listed. And I don't care. Seems like these Asus boards are very picky on mem

My current settings:

JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 9
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
FSB Frequency: 435
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-871

DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: AUTO
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

2nd Information :

READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): 10
Write to Read Delay (S): 5
WRITE to READ Delay (D): 7
READ to READ Delay (S): 6
READ to READ Delay (D): 8
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): 6
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): 9

3rd Information :

WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: Strong
AI Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level [10]
Pull-In of CHA PH1: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH2: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH3: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH4: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH1: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH2: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH3: ENABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH4: ENABLED

CPU Voltage: 1.3000
CPU GTL Voltage Reference: AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.28
DRAM Voltage: 1.90
NB Voltage: 1.26
SBridge Voltage: 1.10
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.50

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO
Enhancement: Performance


Will shoot for 4GHz + the next few days.
Edited by turrican9 - 12/28/10 at 1:05pm
    
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My C1 Q9550 is bottlenecking my new graphics card a little in GTA IV so I've started ocÃ*ng it, started with 3.82 @ 1.31v but would like to go higher, My last board was a P5B Deluxe so as usual I have to say these things have too many options.

Mostly just saying hi though
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My C1 Q9550 is bottlenecking my new graphics card a little in GTA IV so I've started ocÃ*ng it, started with 3.82 @ 1.31v but would like to go higher, My last board was a P5B Deluxe so as usual I have to say these things have too many options.

Mostly just saying hi though
Hi there

Now regarding your attempt to OC higher I must tell you that P5Q Pro mobos top out @ 450MHz FSB with a C2Q and it seems that you`ve allready reached that limit (3.8GHz)..

The problem is that beyond 450MHz FSB on P5Q Pro with a Quad OC is not Prime95 LARGE FFT stable (6h or longer test) due poor CPU GTL voltage options in BIOS that need to be tuned to stabilize core that errors in P95 LARGE FFT test..

@turrican9

It`s nice you`ve nailed the problem but however I must tell you that those 10-5-7-6-8-6-9 will have substantial performance inpact on memory bandwidth..

Test your bandwidth with Aida or Everest before and after you use those timings and you`ll see it..

However I also recommend you to use AUTO strap as these mobos seem to have an issue running them beside AUTO seting..

Also Pullins I recommend you to DISABLE them as they could put some unnecessary strain on RAM and NB..(DISABLE Pullins for better system stability)

CHEERS..
Edited by KingT - 12/28/10 at 4:05pm
     
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KingT, Will test memory bandwith and post back my findings.

Thanks for your feedback in this matter
Edited by turrican9 - 12/28/10 at 4:09pm
    
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KingT, Will test memory bandwith and post back my findings.
I tried to change my timigs fom 8-3-5-4-6-4-7 to 8-3-5-6-6-7-7 to stabilize RAM so it could run on advertised 1066MHz speed (still no go on this mobo)
and I`ve exerienced performance hit in memory bandwidth..

Use that AUTO strap and DISABLE Pullins for beter system stability..

GOOD LUCK..

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Here are my results,

Backed CPU down to 3.6GHz due to RAM instability at those higher speeds, when running those auto timings. RAM is at 800MHz 5-5-5-15. Using Aida64 Extreme Edition v1.00.1111. All other settings remain the same as in the above post.

Results with auto timings (as above post)
READ: 7482 MB/s
WRITE: 8495 MB/s
COPY: 8340 MB/s
LATENCY: 69.5 ns

Results with manual timings (as above post)
READ: 6558 MB/s
WRITE: 8331 MB/s
COPY: 7003 MB/s
LATENCY: 69.4 ns


Taking a pretty big hit on Read an Copy here. I will try to fine tune timings. Try to tighten a few of them and see how it goes

KingT: I will try to disable those Pullins and use Auto Strap. Thanks for the tip
Edited by turrican9 - 12/28/10 at 4:57pm
    
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