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post #941 of 6493
Q9650@3.96GHz overclocking and temps


By the way, i have a question regarding CPU temps. Read somewhere that the max t-casing temp for these Core2 Quads was 71c. Is that the CPUTIN temp showing up in CPUID hardware monitor or the highest core temp of the four cores? CPUTIN temp is always lower than the hottest core.

I use a TT TRUE cooler with a Zalman 120mm fan connected to the morherboards chassis fan2 connector. I use Fan control from bios, and when I set it at Turbo it regulates from about 1200rpm up to about 1800rpm when CPU is max Loaded. It has a 3-pin connector and did not regulate when connected to the 4-pin CPU Fan connector. When Running 1.325 Volts (LLC enabled) My max load Volts is 1.31 Volts. Highest CPUTIN temp when running IBT was 73c and 78c for the hottest core (core 0) according to CPUID Hardware Monitor. CPU is running 3960MHz 440FSB x9. Have not tried lower v-core, and I think it needs 1.3 volts + for this speed. I think I need better cooling if shooting for 4GHz +.

The new Noctua NH-C14 looks very promising. And the Noctua NH-D14 should also be a safe bet...

Edit: Seems like the max fan rpm recorded when testing was 1548rpm. so I probably forgot to turn the system fan setting from Standard setting to Turbo.

Update: Have adjusted fan setting to Turbo now. Started IBT. temps seems better and fan is running at 1750rpm + under load. I use the Chassis Fan2 connector which is located beside the CPU-fan connector. It actually shows up as CPU fan in CPUID Hardware monitor and regulates the fan according to the CPU temp. Seems like this is an alternative CPU fan connector or something. Works very well.

Update: After running IBT for a while with the Turbo fan settings CPUTIN temp seems to max at 70c, and hottest core at 77c, but seems to average around 74-75c.

Update: Trying 9x 445FSB = 4005MHz right now. Using same Volts as mentioned above. Started 10 runs of IBT Its a joy to overclock this motherboard after I sorted out those READ TO READ timing issues when using 8GB RAM

KingT,

Also, you say max temp should be no more than 75c. Is that the CPUTIN temp, or the hottest core?
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@Asus11

What is model your Kingston exactly??

If it`s HyperX 2x2GB 1066MHz KHX8500D2K2/4G it`s not supported by any P5Q mobo and it probably will not run @ 1066MHz ..

I have it and I`ve never managed to run it @ 1066MHz speed no matter what voltage or timings I`ve used..

The fastest I`ve ran it is 1040MHz 1.9V STABLE on P5Q Pro..

I`ve ran my RAM on Gigabyte EP45 mobos @ 1150MHz with 2.2V easy and they run @ 1066MHz with 2.0V..

CHEERS..

its 2gb ram and its the KHX8500D2K2/2G, its compatible because im using them right now.. as always there was some hickups on the way.. trying to get everything out of a stock hp computer was really hard, after that I had trouble putting everything into a new case and putting all the wires in correctly, then the new cpu fan was playing up, after a few hours I done it, then it was booting then going to blue screen of death, harddrive was failing, pulled out a copy of linux backed up all my stuff, took the hardrive out, bought a samsung f3 from pc world, downloaded vista again and reinstalled everything.. so now finally its all done..just my resolution seems abit smaller.. hopefully windows update will fix that, now i need some help OCING!!
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Asus11,

That E6600 should be good for about 3.2GHz on stock cooling. And maybe 3.6GHz on high-end air.

I have had many CPUs through the years, the E6600 was one of them. Mine could never do 3.6GHz stable. But found that 8x 400FSB = 3.2GHz was a fast and nice speed for this CPU. So I downed the multi from its standard x9 to x8. Worked very well. This was using a Asus P5N-E SLI motherboard.

The Asus P5Q Pro Turbo should handle this like a breeze
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well instead of keeping the stock cooler i bought a akasa evo heatsink cooler, ino its probs not as good as the high end stuff but i got it really cheap
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Read somewhere that the max t-casing temp for these Core2 Quads was 71c. Is that the CPUTIN temp showing up in CPUID hardware monitor or the highest core temp of the four cores? CPUTIN temp is always lower than the hottest core.


Update: After running IBT for a while with the Turbo fan settings CPUTIN temp seems to max at 70c, and hottest core at 77c, but seems to average around 74-75c

Also, you say max temp should be no more than 75c. Is that the CPUTIN temp, or the hottest core?
First of all always go by core emperatures.

Use CoreTemp to read core temperatures and not HWmonitor..

Your 77C is fine as 2 (or even 5C over 75C) will not hurt your chip..

In real life thre`s no program in the world that will heat up your CPU like IBT does..

@Asus11

Yeah that RAM is OK for P5Q Pro TURBO unlike 4GB kit (2x2GB)..

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KingT,

I know IBT is totally unrealistic and does not reflect any ordinary use of a computer. I remember the first time I tried LinX, came from using Prime95 using small FFTs to test CPU. I was chocked of the temp LinX produced when compared to Prime95s small FFTs. Even Prime95 small FFTs run much hotter than any game or app will.

So therefore one can conclude that even of your temp is a little bit on the high side in IBT, it simply does not matter as much. One will only use IBT/LinX in relatively short periods of time, to test CPU stability

Update: My sweetspot seems to be 9x 440FSB = 3960MHz at 1.31 volts (full load). 9x 445FSB = 4005MHz needs more volts. I could do it but IBT will most probably heat the hottest core up to 80c. Anyway, for everyday use it dont matter. But I think I will keep it at 3.96GHz anyway. 4GHz is just a number, not a big deal
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Exactly..

Even Intel stated that max core temperature for 24/7 usage should be kept under 75C for Q9x50 CPU`s tested with 20min of P95 SMALL FFT..

Here`s THE LINK

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im currently running 50c at full load which is a huge improvement
that might have to do with artic silver, aftermarket fan and motherboard
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Exactly..

Even Intel stated that max core temperature for 24/7 usage should be kept under 75C for Q9x50 CPU`s tested with 20min of P95 SMALL FFT..

Here`s THE LINK

CHEERS..
Checked out your link. Good information. 65c is listed as safe temp for these Quads. And 75c as hot. I assume the safe temp is its usual max operating temp for daily use to keep it healthy and give it a long life.

I see the QX9770 have a very low tcase temp. QX9770: Tcase Max 56c, Stepping C1, TDP 136W, Idle 16W

-Tcase/Tjunction-
--55--/--60--60--60--60-- Hot
--50--/--55--55--55--55-- Warm
--45--/--50--50--50--50-- Safe
--25--/--30--30--30--30-- Cool

Why is it so low?
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Hello again,

Seems my woes are not yet over Got a spontaneus reeboot after I had reinstalled Windows, when I was installing updates. I installed windows again, only this time I sat all timings in the 2nd row two notches up and turned FSB down to 435, to be on the safe side. Didn't help. I got a freeze just before it was about to finalize installation. Set everything back to auto in bios, cpu and mem at default speeds and installed Windows yet again. No problems.

And this after I have tested 30 - 40 runs with IBT, Ran 4 sessions of memtest for Windows, each with 1750MB, for a total of 7GB error free for over 4 passes. Ran Prime95 with large FFTs for over 7 hours without errors. All this at 3.96GHz with the two READ to READ settings one notch up.

Only thing I can think of as a possibly cause right now is the FSB Volts. I ran them at 1.3 volts. Even though previous experience have shown that it did not like to be sat over 1.28 Volts in my system. So will try that. If this doesn't work I will go for the 450FSB and turn multi down to 8.5 to see where this brings me.

I also have the possibility of trying my Crucial Ballistix set again, with the two 2nd. row timings turned up a notch

Is it important to overvolt southbridge or pci express volts when overclocking? They ran at default volts.
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