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Originally Posted by windfire View Post
Here is an example of someone getting his i7 980X at 4.5GHz stable 24/7 with good temperature. And he is using normal watercooling only.
Link: http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...oc-update.html

Is there any reason why you are not considering normal watercooling?
Perhaps you can build on his experience with your $400 budget.

Eg: (all Sidewinder prices)
CPU block: Apogee XT @ $70
Pump: Swiftech MCP 655 variable speed @ $78
Radiator: Feser Quad 480 @ $120 or Thermochill PA 120.4 @ $140
And say, the barbs, tubings, res and fans come together @ ~$110 (perhaps a little bit more)

And, if you can spend $650, then it is financially very comfortable.

Lastly, you must be very concerned about boot-up times? I see that you are planing to use 12 SSDs in Raid 0 setup? What is the expected bootup time for this array?

OVERCLOCKING is a crap shoot so to say u can get the best ram the best mobo and a high end cpu and u put it all together and as soon as u go 200+mhz all hell brakes loose cause ur cpu is not a good clocker cause ur not lucky but with a chiller if u keep ur cpu 5-10c below ambient even a crappy chip that dosent like to clock will take 800mhz like a champ

with direct die it will even do better

now lets say u have a chip that likes to be pushed well with a chiller u will do some nice clocks and with direct die u will make all ur friends cry cause u have the fastest rig around

now chiller for subzero are not practical cause u have to insulate ur tubing and ur pump and ur block and it just becomes a big hassle but u can run 10-15c below ambient and still condensation free and u can throw ur cpu gpu sb nb on the loop and have everything chilling

direct die will freez ur cpu and u have to insulate but all ur insulateing is the suction line and evap but ur limited to only cooling ur cpu but u can cool the hell out of it and get some insaine clocks
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I'd say that chilling insulation is just a bit more, but with patience and planning is not much harder at all. But it is not as easy as direct die, without a doubt.
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well my sub zero ac made my thermaltake P500 into a ball of ice and it froze right threw 3/8 sticky back foam so i hate insulation

but some one who likes to sit around and mummify everything in the loop may have good results
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Here's what looking at for a 300w ss ph without a case for 650.00 , this one is a sdumper custom , works really well .
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[QUOTE=NoL;10063692]I've put my estimates at 250W for safe overclocks. Anything above that normally has chip damage. People forget that the motherboard actually acts as a heatsink as well, and alot of that power consumption is in the power circuitry of the motherboard.
270W is pushing it.

Thanks, another question answered
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I have a 400€ish SS phase and I can say, after pluging in a SANACE 220V AC fan IT IS QUIET.

Mind that with a good compresor, any noise concerns would mainly be the fan.

Just go SS and tell your builder to use a SANACE fan! I just love them

I've owned a TEC and would like to love them, but just don't with a 200w CPU TEC is not an option, unfortunately.
    
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I have a 400€ish SS phase and I can say, after pluging in a SANACE 220V AC fan IT IS QUIET.

Mind that with a good compresor, any noise concerns would mainly be the fan.

Just go SS and tell your builder to use a SANACE fan! I just love them

I've owned a TEC and would like to love them, but just don't with a 200w CPU TEC is not an option, unfortunately.
Do they make these fans in 110v? here is a link to my unit, http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...hlight=bencher would it provide sufficient airflow?
Thanks, I really would like to quiet this beast down.
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Here is an example of someone getting his i7 980X at 4.5GHz stable 24/7 with good temperature. And he is using normal watercooling only.
Link: http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...oc-update.html

Is there any reason why you are not considering normal watercooling?
Perhaps you can build on his experience with your $400 budget.

Eg: (all Sidewinder prices)
CPU block: Apogee XT @ $70
Pump: Swiftech MCP 655 variable speed @ $78
Radiator: Feser Quad 480 @ $120 or Thermochill PA 120.4 @ $140
And say, the barbs, tubings, res and fans come together @ ~$110 (perhaps a little bit more)

And, if you can spend $650, then it is financially very comfortable.

Lastly, you must be very concerned about boot-up times? I see that you are planing to use 12 SSDs in Raid 0 setup? What is the expected bootup time for this array?
Water cooling is nothing in comparison to phase cooling. $400 for a few degrees less than a good air cooler? Come on now... Give me 100C less for a few hundred

Here is an example of an i7 on phase



My LD phase is at -40C on the die in under a minute, Boot times are not a concern. Mines a benching unit so noise is nothing short of ridiculous but the 24/7 vapochill unit I had was quieter than my air setup

You would have to be mentally deficient to choose a tec setup over phase for 24/7
Edited by el gappo - 7/21/10 at 12:05pm
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