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Finally got the rig setup and I'm in love with surround smile.gif
Cool. I'll add you later on today.

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That Phenom II rig I thought was fixed?

Died last night when I booted it up. I yanked the power lead and reset the BIOS (set jumper and pop battery job, every time) which allowed it to boot and run for about a minute, then it died again. The last time it did it, there was a nasty pop/squeal/whine sound just before as it died.

I've been aware that this system hasn't enjoyed life for the last few months anyway, but it seems like being in damp-storage has done it no good at all, and it's finally kicked the bucket. Will run the usual gamut of tests, but not holding out much hope. frown.gif

And a Roland A-800 Pro arrived this morning! biggrin.gif Pity it was supposed to be hooked up to the rig that now appears dead. sad-smiley-002.gif

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Forgot to say; I added "tha d0ctor" yesterday. smile.gif
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So I've decided to go with a two card setup. Here's my dilemma:

quad sli gtx 590 vs sli gtx 680 vs gtx 690 vs crossfire 7970.


i read the TPU review of the PowerColor 7990 (essentially crossfire 7970) its better than a single 590 (obviously), a single 680 (same as previous), and trades blows with the 690 but seems to pull a few more wins. Whats is very interesting at 5760x1080, the 590 consistently beats a 680 and 7970 (even the 1ghz) and further more its not too far off the PC 7990 and 690. I stumbled on an ocn thread where a guy was contemplating adding another 590 or going with a 690. Obviously, pretty much everyone said to go with the 690. Though, one member who did have quad sli 590s said it was slightly faster than a 690 on three screens thinking.gif. My budget seems to be around the price of a preowned 690 which is super tempting, yet for less, I can get two 7970s with 3gb of vram. Interesting again, is that the sli 590 setup falls in between the price of crossfire 7970s and a 690. I won't bother with 680 sli since their prices are a tad bit higher. I've already returned my EVGA mb so triple is out of the question. But looking at the TPU review several times, at higher resolutions, the extra grunt of the dual gpu 590 is around 70-80% of a 690 or 7990 (or crossfire 7970). Having observed my vram usage with my old cards with 2.5gb of vram, I was pulling under 2.0 most of time. But the cards couldn't push further because of their locked clocks. The current 560 448s have the muscle but lack the vram for higher settings.

Why is this such a hard question confused.gif

So a few pros and cons:

Crossfire 7970:
Pros:
- Under budget. I've found several reference models at screaming deals!
-Slight oc can match or exceed the 690 (ie PC 7990 stock and oc vs 690)
-3gb of vram
-Can triple or quad crossfire in the future with current new mb. Would definitely switch to water in this case.

Cons:
-Probably the noisiest setup but I've heard amd has made a good improvement compared to the 69xx series. Reference cards are the least expensive, though they dump hot exhaust air to the rear, the turbine cooler is still noisy imho.
-Amd and their drivers. Eyefinity was a breeze to setup but drivers are inconsistent. You end up changing drivers to fix one thing or to be able to play a specific game. Its much more involved.
-Runs a tad bit hot. Maybe I was too comfortable with the nice temps of my 560 448s biggrin.gif

Sli GTX 590:
Pros:
-Within budget. Seems like these are starting to fall as the 690, 680s, and 670s are being more available and cheaper.
-Quad gpu power. I always think raw power can compensate for some of the let downs (ie lower clock vs 580, vram 1.5gb, low overclocking, no voltage adjustment without bios modding).
-Very quiet. A lot of the reviews site how quiet this guy is. Even quad sli is quieter than a single 6990!
-Scalability. I hear, but I'm not 100% sure, that the 5xx series scaled a lot better beyond dual sli compared to the 6xx series. A single or dual 680 will best a 7970 or crossfire, yet amd seems to be the king of the best benchmark scores with triple and quad cards.

Cons:
-Quad sli. I've experimented with quad 480s but it really will come down to the application and if it does take advantage of the 4th gpu. I'm certain the gpu(s) will be busy at my resolution of 3240x1920,
-Vram isn't high. I'm coming off three cards with 1.2gb of vram so this really won't make a huge impact.
-Limited oc. The 590s were known to go boom. I've asked a few owners and they've confirmed that they are limited and you must be very careful not to push them or you'll kill them. I generally keep my clocks at stock unless I'm benching.
-A tad noisy and hot. Its not too severe but its understandable that since its trying to cool two gpus with one fan. Not too concerned since I ran hotter and noisier triple 6970 Lightnings.
-No room for upgrading frown.gif. That would be the pinnacle for this card. My new mb can't do 4-way sli with four individual cards some triple single sli cards would be the most.
-Surround is worse to setup and configure vs Amd eek.gif


GTX 690:
Pros:
-fastest single card solution.
-good amount of vram
-Upgradable. If I can some how find more money some time down the road, which i doubt, I can throw in a second one.
-"Future Proof". Yeah right rolleyes.gifbiggrin.gif:p

Cons:
-Stretching the budget to its max. Yet, still a tad bit better than sli 680s
-Expensive to upgrade
-Did I mention its expensive!
-Only 2gb of vram. I was very disappointed in Nvidia for not incorporating more vram in their flagship cards more. I know the whole story that these were meant for mid-range gpus and they ended up being so good they made them their upper tier cards. Yeah, some makers have added 4gb but Nvidia still has a premium price over Amd (and Amd is getting better!)
-I will say, and its kinda of surprising, Nvidia drivers are becoming spotty and I'm really not too thrilled with Surround. Amd has made a huge leap with Eyefinty and I love the way the go about setting it up (software side). Nvidia is still using the same control panel and menus/options for Surround. They've been a bit flaky recently.




So, there you go my rant....I mean, dilemma. I really would like the best performance and that feeling edges me more and more towards 590s. With a second child due in a few more months, I really wouldn't want myself to spend a lot more money on more upgrades. I kinda of see it as a now or never situation and I want the best possible setup to run Surround.

I welcome any feedback or ridicule biggrin.gif
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if your not going to add 670sli and 680 sli to your list, I would go cf 7970 over a 690. 690 only has 2gb ram per gpu so that's why I didn't get it over my sli 670 4gbs at my resolution.
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if your not going to add 670sli and 680 sli to your list, I would go cf 7970 over a 690. 690 only has 2gb ram per gpu so that's why I didn't get it over my sli 670 4gbs at my resolution.

There's a huge premium on these right now, even used. I'm going with top tier cards with more vram and power-per-dollar. After looking at reviews, the 670 runs out of steam and the 7970 and 680 start pulling ahead. The 680 still has a price premium so I'll be spending more than a 690. I need a two or single card solution. If I were to go 670, it would be three of them.
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There's a huge premium on these right now, even used. I'm going with top tier cards with more vram and power-per-dollar. After looking at reviews, the 670 runs out of steam and the 7970 and 680 start pulling ahead. The 680 still has a price premium so I'll be spending more than a 690. I need a two or single card solution. If I were to go 670, it would be three of them.

I think the 670's are not that far off from the 680's and 7970's, where it is a few fps that separate them all from each other. With that said though, if I were in your shoes today and buying for a triple monitor setup, I would go for the Crossfire 7970. Sorry to say this in an Nvidia Surround thread tongue.gif, but currently, they are the best bang for the buck cards, along with 7950's.

If you are close enough to a Micro Center, they have a Visiontek 7970 for $380 (of course, before tax), which is WELL below what a single 680 costs, and matches the going price of 670's, while equaling/besting them both respectively performance-wise. thumb.gif
     
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I think the 670's are not that far off from the 680's and 7970's, where it is a few fps that separate them all from each other. With that said though, if I were in your shoes today and buying for a triple monitor setup, I would go for the Crossfire 7970. Sorry to say this in an Nvidia Surround thread tongue.gif, but currently, they are the best bang for the buck cards, along with 7950's.
If you are close enough to a Micro Center, they have a Visiontek 7970 for $380 (of course, before tax), which is WELL below what a single 680 costs, and matches the going price of 670's, while equaling/besting them both respectively performance-wise. thumb.gif

Yeah, 7970s are sweet. The PC7990 is essentially two 7970s at 925 each and that can match and sometimes slightly beat a 690. But not by much. What really is hampering my mind is what members are saying that sli 590 is faster than a 690. That being said, its probable that its faster than crossfire 7970. Also, Amd drivers are a love/hate thing and 79xx are fairly new so the drivers haven't matured to the point of general stability. This usually happens when the next generation of gpu(s) are launched.

Tough, tough.....well, I've made a few sales but not all has sold. So, I still have a bit more time to think it over.


Here's some results from the TPU PC 7990 review:
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Yeah, 7970s are sweet. The PC7990 is essentially two 7970s at 925 each and that can match and sometimes slightly beat a 690. But not by much. What really is hampering my mind is what members are saying that sli 590 is faster than a 690. That being said, its probable that its faster than crossfire 7970. Also, Amd drivers are a love/hate thing and 79xx are fairly new so the drivers haven't matured to the point of general stability. This usually happens when the next generation of gpu(s) are launched.
Tough, tough.....well, I've made a few sales but not all has sold. So, I still have a bit more time to think it over.
Here's some results from the TPU PC 7990 review:
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I can definitely see how Quad-SLI 590's are going to be faster than a single 690. Scaling may become a bit erratic in select titles, but, if it works, it definitely is still a super impressive performer compared to today's Kepler offerings.

The AMD drivers are definitely a love/hate thing for sure. However, I have read a lot of positive feedback regarding the new 12.8 drivers though, which seems to have not only fixed a number of issues, but also improved performance overall.

Looking over the 7990 review, it is an impressive piece of hardware, although, I'm concerned over some of the scaling problems in the Eyefinity resolution. Plus, it is a decent-sized chunk of change more for what is ultimately supposed to be 7970 CF performance.

Personally, for the maximum bang for the buck at triple 1080p resolutions, I think the 7970's still win with the least amount of hassles (assuming a problem-free experience with their latest drivers). wink.gif If it weren't for the fact that I wanted to play Borderlands 2 with full PhysX on, I would have opted for a 7970 myself for the same price I paid for my 670. eek.gif
     
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SNIP

HD7970 CF are currently the best for the money. Then GTX 670s SLI if you want from the green team, (especially if you got your hands on non-reference ones, they can easily beat the max overclock of reference GTX 680s -or come close- for much less).
The GTX 690 doesn't compare to CF HD7970. They will smoke it unrelentingly at about half the price especially if they are overclocked.
Unless you want an easy Quad SLI setup or you really in need for the extra space inside your case then the GTX 690 doesn't worth it.
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I just bought everything for my surround setup today and I went with 2 Galaxy 670 4GB cards. I debated for a lonnngggg time between 7970s and 670s. I realize that the 7970s consistently got a few higher FPS in most games, but honestly, from every benchmark I've seen, it's been no more than 5FPS better 99% of the time. I have have bad luck with AMD cards and good luck with nvidia, so I went with team green. I'm sure I would've loved 7970s, but I went with what has worked for me in the past. Plus, I hear the non-reference 670s overclock pretty darn well.

I get Borderlands 2 with those so that is $60 I didn't have to spend on that (i was planning on getting the game anyways) and I'll sell my other copy to my roommate for $50. Plus they both have $20 rebates right now. I think they are a great deal. i can't wait to play Borderlands 2 on my 3 screens biggrin.gif I really wanted to run full Physx too, another reason I went with nvidia.
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