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Wow GTX 770 has 7GHz GDDR5. Thats going to help in surround resolutions a lot!! Might be a viable upgrade for some at our high resolutions.






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Congrats. Dont you love the build quality of that card. One of the best i have seen. Feels like a real high end card.
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Wow GTX 770 has 7GHz GDDR5. Thats going to help in surround resolutions a lot!! Might be a viable upgrade for some at our high resolutions.





@ Mr. Strawberry
Congrats. Dont you love the build quality of that card. One of the best i have seen. Feels like a real high end card.

it is amazing, When I first took it out of the box I never wanted to touch it, just in case I got my finger prints all over it and ruined it :L
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I think the first recommended option is 2x top card and 1x bottom for SLi.
you should try changing it around.

Just checked. I had it as you mentioned tongue.gif
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I think the first recommended option is 2x top card and 1x bottom for SLi.
you should try changing it around.

Just checked. I had it as you mentioned tongue.gif
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Wow GTX 770 has 7GHz GDDR5. Thats going to help in surround resolutions a lot!! Might be a viable upgrade for some at our high resolutions.






@ Mr. Strawberry
Congrats. Dont you love the build quality of that card. One of the best i have seen. Feels like a real high end card.

Don't fall for the marketing.

384-bit bus gives waaaaaay more memory bandwidth then an extra 1ghz of memory speed.

The most important is memory bandwidth... the math is as follows:

Interface Width x Effective Frequency ÷ 8 bits per byte = Memory Bandwidth.

You can find it easily on the cards white papers:

EVGA 780 SC/ACX:
http://www.evga.com/products/pdf/03G-P4-2784.pdf
Memory Bandwidth: 288.38 GB/s

EVGA 770 SC/ACX:
http://www.evga.com/products/pdf/02G-P4-2774.pdf
Memory Bandwidth: 224.22 GB/s

EVGA 680 Superclocked:
http://www.evga.com/products/pdf/02G-P4-2682.pdf
Memory Bandwidth: 198.66 GB/s

So the 780 is better for both surround and multi-gpu applications.
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What do you mean by "punk" ?
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I do believe the 6-core CPUs will be more future proof. Especially with the new consoles releasing this year will have 8-core CPUs. Game developers will develop game engines based on these new consoles architect, therefore having many game engines coding towards more multicore CPU utilization.

Very likely that your inconsistent performance could be related to CPU limitations. BF3 settings on low will create less GPU requirements and increase CPU requirements. What is your range of GPU use with 680 SLI? How low does it drop?
Most 3930k's can OC to 4.6-4.8ghz on a good air cooler or H100i. Watercooling will be able to push it to 4.9-5.1ghz depending on CPU chip quality and motherboard.

Regarding 3-way SLI i did find some additional bottlenecks somewhere in the GPU pipeline when I had 670 3-way SLI & running BF3 multiplayer (no problem with vram limits). As my GPU use was dropping with 670 3-way vs 2-way SLI. At first I thought I was CPU bound. But now that i have 2 Titans in SLI and my SLI GPU horsepower is greater than 670 3-way SLI if i am CPU bound my GPU use should still be low. BUT I run with my Titans GPU use in the high 90%s. So the limitation is somewhere in 3-way SLI configuration and BF3's game code.

You can try out the 3930k + RIVG and see if 680 SLI will be enough GPU horsepower for you. The 3930k will help minimum framerates greatly and stabilize performance. But with 680 SLi you will still need to turn down settings around medium with no AA to keep that >100fps where you monitors thrive at, and motion quality is just gorgeous. If thats fine with that go with that setup. You can always upgrade your GPUs later if you decide you want to turn up settings and AA. Keep in mind BF4 will be more demanding. Guaranteed.

Have you tried 2d Lightboost? The advantage in 1st Person shooters is amazing! Especially close quarter combat. Motion quality is just crystal clear, you can actually run circles around your enemies in perfect clarity for circling headshots. 60hz monitors just have trouble keeping up in that aspect. Only problem with Lightboost is it makes your screens darker and anti-gloss film removal is recommended, but difficult. I would say lightboost 120hz has almost 2x the motion clarity of regular 120hz, or even 144hz in your case. Its similar to the motion clarity of 60hz to 120hz jump, if not more.

This is one of those situations where new information is both helpful and a bit annoying smile.gif

My operating assumption up until now was that the SB-E and SB chips were roughly the same in games because "games usually use two, but never more than four cores".

Makes total sense - I don't see much performance difference between low and medium settings in BF3 because I'm CPU bound. This also explains some test results I saw with a 3770k and 680 SLI and 780 SLI were almost identical but the 780SLI showed better numbers in every other game.

I have a line on a good deal for a 3930k on another forum but that will chew up most of my cash on hand so I posted my motherboard, CPU and RAM on craigslist (I have pretty good luck so far) and that will cover my motherboard.

It's very counter intuitive because we tend to think that if we have a fast CPU then the only thing to do is throw more GPU at the problem.

I suspect that if I can get a 3930k up to 4.4 or 4.6 then my 680s will be just fine until next generation (a useful bit of self deception for now). I'm just trying to game out whether I should stay mATX or get back to a full size case. I have a full blown addiction to buying expensive computer cases so that's going to be another 250-350 bucks.

Luckily, I'm operating under the graces of "Fathers Day" so I have a lot of latitude - as long as I act quickly and nobody has to see the receipts...


edit:
I could never get Lightboost to work on more than a single screen in single screen mode. I played around with the INF files and registry entries and all that but I got frustrated and I think it works best when your fps exceeds the refresh rate which I cannot do consistently. Still, even after a few weeks, the uber smoothness of these screens is thrilling.

more edit:
IB-E is supposed to be out in Q3 but I guess it's unconfirmed. Speculation is that we'll see a new X89 or X99 chipset. It's really hard to contemplate buying into a new platform when the refresh is just around the corner. I'm guessing IB-E will come out before BF4 so maybe I'll work on getting into a new case in the mean time.

Self torment and paralyzing second guessery is the cornerstone of this hobby...
Edited by Doubletap1911 - 5/30/13 at 5:30pm
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post #5099 of 8961
so is the faster memory of the GTX 770 gonna allow it to push 4GB of VRAM better than the GTX 680 does.?
in-relation to a Surround set-up particularly.
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i like linus /shrug
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