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Pushin me more and more towards [SLI] Gainward 580 3gb models come Sept/Oct!

Woo!
If you're going to wait that long why not wait just a bit longer till the 6 series comes out early 2012 when they're dirt cheap too?
 
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Pushin me more and more towards [SLI] Gainward 580 3gb models come Sept/Oct!

Woo!

God damn it now I'm jealous, I want a full block that would fit my 460's. I was actually going to get an EK block for under £50 each but then I found out they wouldn't fit my non-reference Gigabytes

Has anyone ever seen a full block that would fit my non-reference 460's?
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Yeah I'd say 2D surround is the holy grail of gaming, and I think all of us here have who have achieved this have really made it as gamers and should be proud of our accomplishments.

I think we can all appreciate what each of us have achieved here and that’s what makes this club so great and me so proud to be apart of it.

That and the fact it's still a pretty exclusive club if you compare to how many people still have to game on a single screens, kind of makes me smile that all the consoles in the world can't achieved this gaming experience
Well, to be fair, the 'Holy Grail' of gaming is pretty much Star Trek style Holodecks, but I know what you mean - for things that are actually going to happen within the next millenium, 2D Surround is about the best you can get.

And consoles... consoles have their place. SRPGs and JRPGs, for example.

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Too right mate, they can hardly crack 30fps on a game at 1080p, COD4:no3 being the only game most likely
At what sort of texture detail? And what polygon count?

When the GPU in the PS3 is a modified 7900GT, and the GPU in the XBox360 is a unified shader X1800-type, they don't stand much of a chance against the raw power that something like tri-GTX580's can bring to the table.

(I'd love to see what tri-580s could do, if a game was optimised for them to the level that most console games are for the hardware they're run on...)

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It can be done, but it's certainly not worth it to have 3 consoles just to try it.
Not watched the Youtube vid, but I'll assume it's Forza 2 or 3, so props to Turn 10 for allowing triple-screen gaming levels of immersion in their racing games. It's just a shame you need three screens, three consoles, three copies of the same game...

(I now have horrible visions of games being licensed on the PC 'per screen'... )

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3x consoles = 3x 1080p

3x console = >$1000

Worse. 3x consoles = 3x upscaled to 1080p...

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Pushin me more and more towards [SLI] Gainward 580 3gb models come Sept/Oct!

Woo!
Really wouldn't bother. If you're going to bite on them then, might be better to wait and bite on the new cards. Or see how much these waterblocks drop in price when the new cards come out - that's the only problem with full-cover blocks, they're essentially single-use.

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If you're going to wait that long why not wait just a bit longer till the 6 series comes out early 2012 when they're dirt cheap too?
Exactly.

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God damn it now I'm jealous, I want a full block that would fit my 460's. I was actually going to get an EK block for under £50 each but then I found out they wouldn't fit my non-reference Gigabytes

Has anyone ever seen a full block that would fit my non-reference 460's?
EK said a while ago that they would release a block that fit the Palit/Gainward 8800GT mounting-hole GTX460, but IIRC, the Gigabyte ones are a not-quite-reference-not-quite-own-PCB-design. I've got a Gigabyte 4850 like that - reference board all the way - except for the fact that its chokes/VRMs are a lot fatter than normal, so stopping the reference design GPU block from making good contact with the core.
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Ahh yes, it's essentially 720p isn't it!

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If you're going to wait that long why not wait just a bit longer till the 6 series comes out early 2012 when they're dirt cheap too?
It really depends on how my cards hold up in BF3 BETA that will determine whether I buy them or not, I really want to experience BF3 in NvSurround with about 40fps avg as a minimum, so if my 560's can't do that for me, I'll have to look into the 3gb 580's

@Paradigm: IMO it sounds to me as if gigabyte cards aren't really designed for "extreme gamers/tweakers", but more aimed at the mainstream market...

I wonder when other Big name companies are going to follow EVGA's suite and release their own version of the Hydro-copper flagship watercooled card?
Edited by Ishinomori - 7/13/11 at 2:16pm
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Ahh yes, it's essentially 720p isn't it!



It really depends on how my cards hold up in BF3 BETA that will determine whether I buy them or not, I really want to experience BF3 in NvSurround with about 40fps avg as a minimum, so if my 560's can't do that for me, I'll have to look into the 3gb 580's
Word is it should be the same as bfbc2 right? Same engine, etc.
I'm waiting to see what Kepler is like before I decide if i want 3gb 580s or not. If Kepler is leaps and bounds faster I'm gonna want a pair of those!
 
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Ahh yes, it's essentially 720p isn't it!

It really depends on how my cards hold up in BF3 BETA that will determine whether I buy them or not, I really want to experience BF3 in NvSurround with about 40fps avg as a minimum, so if my 560's can't do that for me, I'll have to look into the 3gb 580's

@Paradigm: IMO it sounds to me as if gigabyte cards aren't really designed for "extreme gamers/tweakers", but more aimed at the mainstream market...

I wonder when other Big name companies are going to follow EVGA's suite and release their own version of the Hydro-copper flagship watercooled card?
Can be even worse than that - some console games upscale from as low as 360p, IIRC. Although I think most go from 480p or 540p...

Not sure what I'll do with respect to BF3 yet. I'll probably wait for the game to be released, then see what performance is like. I've never upgraded 'for one game', so that's unlikely to happen (I usually get the compulsive tweakers itch long before a game comes along that forces me to upgrade...

I dunno about the 'Gigabyte not for OCers' thing; the chap I sold the 4850 to stuck a GPU only waterblock on it, and cranked it up miles. The chunky VRMs barely even got warm when I used it, didn't matter how much I stressed it out. The card he killed (and bought mine to replace) ran absolutely tiny (and roasting) VRMs.

EVGA has the whole 'sold with waterblock' thing tied up tight since BFG pulled out of the market and collapsed. They've got a lot of customer goodwill (particularly in the US) so can 'get away with' offering low-volume, high-risk SKUs like that. (I say 'high risk' as I imagine there are a fair few people out there who buy one, two or more and manage to fry them through being careless...)

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Word is it should be the same as bfbc2 right? Same engine, etc.
I'm waiting to see what Kepler is like before I decide if i want 3gb 580s or not. If Kepler is leaps and bounds faster I'm gonna want a pair of those!
Isn't BF3 Frostbite 2, rather than Frostbite 1.5 which ran BFBC2?

It goes without saying that if Kepler is leaps and bounds faster, it'll be more desirable. It's all a matter of cost. And also, whether nVidia has decided that designing a GPGPU card that just 'happens' to be able to run games is the way to go or not...

Other issue for us Surround gamers is how much VRAM the cards have by default.

If the new nVidia cards come with 1.5GB of VRAM maximum as reference design, I'll scream. If they come with 2GB, I'll grumble about nVidia being behind the curve. If they come standard with 3GB or 4GB of VRAM, I'll actually be smiling. But I doubt that last one will happen, as only us triple-widers need that much.
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The vRAM thing is overhyped and blown out of proportion. I showed this in the thread Skyline started elsewhere in the Nvidia forum. Basically if you are running 2 to 4x MSAA, there is no vRAM problemin almost any game at 5760 x 1080 at 1.5GB.

People wrongly conflate games "maxing" out their vRAM with a game's actual need for that much vRAM.

That said, it would be retarded and baffling if Nvidia didn't move to at least 2GB for Kepler, which should be roughly twice as fast.
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The vRAM thing is overhyped and blown out of proportion. I showed this in the thread Skyline started elsewhere in the Nvidia forum. Basically if you are running 2 to 4x MSAA, there is no vRAM problem in almost any game at 5760 x 1080 at 1.5GB.
The 1.5GB of the GTX480/GTX580 is just enough to minimise the effects, especially when taken into account with the increased bandwidth provided by the wider memory bus, and the greater raw power than those cards have compared to the GTX460 et al, but I've got some results (not as many as from my original 1GB vs 2GB comparison, but still a number) that show the GTX470 running face-first into a VRAM limitation that makes framerates nosedive. I need to finish that, but don't have the time ATM. However, at less than 1.5GB of VRAM, the effect is very very real, and very significant. So while I would say you are mostly correct for a 1.5GB scenario, anything less than that and that maxim no longer holds true...

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People wrongly conflate games "maxing" out their vRAM with a game's actual need for that much vRAM.
This is broadly correct, aye, but doesn't explain why most games react so poorly to running out of VRAM in Surround scenarios. The effect is lessened somewhat by increased system RAM, but not completely eliminated.

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That said, it would be retarded and baffling if Nvidia didn't move to at least 2GB for Kepler, which should be roughly twice as fast.
I always get nervous when things 'should be' something, when there is almost no verifiable information about them. But yes, less than 2GB of VRAM would be rather foolish - at least if nVidia are serious about competing with AMD for the Surround market.
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Well Kepler is a move to the 28nm process, and typically the arrival of a new generation does entail a doubling of performance (give or take 10%), judging by the past few generations of video cards.

The other strange thing about vRAM is that, in 3DVS mode, Nvidia automatically downscales antialiasing to 2xAA due to "performance constraints." I know it's not any kind of smart system that checks vRAM usage because it happens regardless of whether I'm at 998MB or 1430MB. It just happens every time.
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I saw this asked earlier, but I didn't really see a response detailing how much of a negative effect it has.

So, it seems that 3D glasses necessary for 3DV surround block a great portion of your peripheral vision, and block much of the view of the side monitors.

And if you sit back farther, you lose the "surround" effect.

Can anyone who has dealt with this problem please comment? Does anyone own a 3DV surround setup and find that the surround setup is still beneficial with 3D glasses on?
    
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Intel i5 2500k Gigabyte P67A UD7 B3 2 x EVGA GTX 580 3GB SLI (one more on wish list) 2 x Kingston 4 GB 
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256GB Corsair C300 SSD, 80GB Intel X-25M Asus DVD RW Windows 7, OSX Lion (hackintosh) Alienware AW2310 (waiting for sale for 2 more) 
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Kinesis Advantage Pro Corsair AX1200 Corsair 800D Logitech Performance Mouse MX 
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