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I've done some research, but honestly I don't know how much or what brand I really need.

To help I guess I should start by saying what setup I have and what I would like to accomplish.

CPU: AMD 64 3200+ Venice core
Mobo: ECS Kv2 Lite
RAM: 4 slots available DDR400 (maximum) dual channel mode.
GFX: 6800U eng.smpl.
PSU: Antec 520w

I want to be able to overclock my RAM and CPU a modest amount and can get aftermarket cooling devices if needed.

Well what RAM should I go for and how much to get? Also, price is not a concern, but I really don't feel like paying $600 for 2gigz (i saw some that expensive at Fry's tonight....).

Thanks for the help! Any more information needed just ask!

Oh yeah! if you have any you are selling that would be great for what I need just PM me.
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post #2 of 11
It really depends on how much you want:

2x512 : G Skill PC4400 Dual channel: The best you can get since their PC4800 is now unavailable. 300fsb possible. Approx. $170.

2x1024 : OCZ PC4000 Gold 250-270fsb possible. Approx. $200.

Before getting ram, check to see what vdimm voltages your motherboard will support (or go up to). Good ram at 2.9vdimm won't work if your mobo can't go above 2.8v.

good luck

BTW: Use the "USER CP" near the top left of the screen and fill out a rig profile and other data for all to see. We can be more helpful that way. Welcome to the forums.
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post #3 of 11
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Thanks for the welcome! I will fill out the profile right now.

Now, since my mobo says DDR400 I assumed it will take pc3200 RAM at the max. If it doesn't support the pc4400 shouldn't I get pc3200? OR can I install it anyways and benifit from the higher fsb capabilities. I just don't want to spend more money on something I can't use.

Also, I tend to play some graphic intensive games, so should I go with 2 gigz? or is 1 gig total fine? and dual channel, is it nessecary?
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post #4 of 11
go with the Gskill extreme ddr500... that stuff OC's very well and is reliable and affordable at only $175ish

yes you can run higher speed ram than what your MOBO is rated for, the benefit is that you have much more room to OC it before it maxes out, and at stock it will just run at ddr400 speed with tighter timings...

and for gaming nowadays... 2 gigs is almost a must...

the roccomended OCZ platinum or gold series is great ram too... either or will be awesome
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post #5 of 11
Your motherboard supports PC3200 dual channel ram.
PC3200 = 200 front side bus X 2 = DDR400.
PC4400 = 275 front side bus X 2 = DDR550.

Any motherboard with a decent "bios" will allow f.s.b (front side bus) settings to be manually adjusted from 200 on up to 310mhz +-. As you set the fsb settings higher, you will also have to manually change your ram timings (looser) in bios. The voltage requirement for the ram also gets raised manually in the bios (to the manufacturers recommendations).

So you need to enter bios on your computer (by pushing F1 or F2 during startup) and see what options you have for front side bus, ram voltages (vdimm), chipset voltages, etc....

What motherboard do you have? Some use DDR2, DDR, PC2700, PC2100, etc...
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post #6 of 11
1gb of ram costs almost as much as 2gb of ram anyway, might want to go with 2gb. You can also take it with you on your next upgrade.
Good ram brands are: G. Skill, OCZ, Mushkin, Ballistix, Corsair, Patriot (XBLK's).
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post #7 of 11
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I have ECS KV2 Lite

http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Product...=Specification


I also checked the BIOS and found this:

Under CPU clock I can udjust the settings anywhere from 200 to 511. currently I have it at 225.

Under Memory settings I can change from Auto/100/133/166/200

If my CPU clock is set to 225 doesn't that mean that the memory is also running at 225, even though it is not a choice?

Im hoping that since my BIOS alows such a high CPU clock that means that I can run memory at higher speeds also. Please correct me if I am wrong.


EDIT-----

I just saw this under some OCZ memory at newegg, one of the buyers wrote this. Is this true? AMD CPU can't go past 250mhz on the memory controller??

"Other Thoughts: Gamers Be warned Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe supports this yes as is stated in the Asus Memory tested Spec Sheet, But since the Socket 939 is AMD only and AMD has yet to make a core that supports 250 mhz memory, it will cause system crashes"
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post #8 of 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by KnowSkillz
I have ECS KV2 Lite

http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Product...=Specification


I also checked the BIOS and found this:

Under CPU clock I can udjust the settings anywhere from 200 to 511. currently I have it at 225.

Under Memory settings I can change from Auto/100/133/166/200

If my CPU clock is set to 225 doesn't that mean that the memory is also running at 225, even though it is not a choice?

Im hoping that since my BIOS alows such a high CPU clock that means that I can run memory at higher speeds also. Please correct me if I am wrong.
You can overclock your ram using the cpu clock. You can run DDR400 on up to DDR600 (depending on vdimm voltage requirements). You want to get matching sticks of ram (dual channel) so they are timed properly and working together. Stay away from unmatched sticks if your above 200 fsb because it'll kill your stability at tight timings.
If your currently at 225fsb your at DDR450 (approx. PC3600 speed). Your ram must have very loose timings to work together at 225fsb.
Anyway, you only want to use "Dual Channel DDR" ram for performance. Do not even attempt to shop for DDR2 ram.

A good ram review is at : www.xbitlabs.com click on the memory icon and read recent shootut review.
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post #9 of 11
It is not true that AMD64 mem controller can't go past 250MHz! I have a memtest stable overclock with the RAM running at 340MHz 300MHz should not be a problem with TCCD or similar memory chips on most AMD64 CPU's.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KnowSkillz
I have ECS KV2 Lite

http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Product...=Specification


I also checked the BIOS and found this:

Under CPU clock I can udjust the settings anywhere from 200 to 511. currently I have it at 225.

Under Memory settings I can change from Auto/100/133/166/200

If my CPU clock is set to 225 doesn't that mean that the memory is also running at 225, even though it is not a choice?



Im hoping that since my BIOS alows such a high CPU clock that means that I can run memory at higher speeds also. Please correct me if I am wrong.


EDIT-----

I just saw this under some OCZ memory at newegg, one of the buyers wrote this. Is this true? AMD CPU can't go past 250mhz on the memory controller??

"Other Thoughts: Gamers Be warned Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe supports this yes as is stated in the Asus Memory tested Spec Sheet, But since the Socket 939 is AMD only and AMD has yet to make a core that supports 250 mhz memory, it will cause system crashes"
If you select the AUTO option it will cause the RAM to run in a 1:1 ratio (same fsb as the CPU). the 100/133/200 is to use to slow down the RAM speed if you are running lesser qaulity RAM modules but a high CPU fsb.

Eventough the motherboard states only DDR400 it will take higher.
As for your choice that will depend on what you wish to do and the configuration of modules required.

cheers

edit : treat all personal reviews there with a large grain of salt.......I say don't even look at them
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