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Originally Posted by sccr64472
after making a false claim that "Intel dominates" in multitasking. Dominates?
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Originally Posted by Ropey
There are events in which Intel dominates.
I said events in which Intel dominates. That is not in your words: across the board. but simply "events". So Intel does not dominate in Multi-tasking. Just in certain events in multi-tasking.

You take my statment out of context. In multi-media encoding of three different sse3 streams (one event) Intel Dominates. I could go on but it is useless.

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post #62 of 91
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Do you know what "Across the board" means. (rhetorical question - hence no question mark) Not what you mean by the statement but what the statement actually means because what you say it means and what it in point of "Fact" actually means seems to be rather different.

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My statement of across the board, as I just reiterated, was meaning categorically. You're picking encoding, AMD dual core processors hold the edge. If you're going to debate this, we can begin a new thread and focus exclusively on who is faster at encoding, AMD or Intel dual core processors. You're jumping around from subject to subject. You first rediculed benchmarks as being inaccurate measures of performance, but then expect us to rely on your wife's perception that her Intel dual core is "snappier" than the AMD dual core in the house? I stand by my statement that AMD holds an advantage in every category of computing and that includes encoding. I don't think you can find a single professional review backing your belief that Intel still holds the encoding crown, but I can find several backing mine.
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post #63 of 91
This is my

The Intel Pentium D 920 is sub $250. (price cut to around $200 on 24 March). It has been easily overclocked to 4.0Ghz+ on air without a sweat. (about 41% increase in FSB! on air!)

Overclock Australia did an excellent review of the Intel 920/955 and AMD X2 3800+ and FX60. They compared the chip at stock speeds where AMD kicked butt, then they overclocked to what they considered the average enthusiast could do on water, and then compared them:

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For dual core entry-level products we see the situation like this: The X2 3800+ runs faster in gaming than a Pentium D 920. In applications both processors run neck-to-neck with a slight advantage for the 3800+. On the other hand a Pentium D 920 is between 15% and 20% cheaper and overclocks clearly better: We achieved with air-cooling a 45% frequency increase and believe that 40% (or around 3900 MHz) are achievable with almost every air-cooled 920. Overclocked to its maximum stable frequency we found the 920 outrunning a maxed out X2 3800+ in almost all benchmarks.
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For the time being we recommend a buyer considering an entry level dual core processor to have a good look at Intel’s Pentium D 920.
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To sum it up: The general battle order between Intel and AMD has not changed with the introduction of the 9xx series, but Intel’s single and dual core desktop products have improved their relative position quite a lot to their advantage.
and on Intel move to 65nm processors:

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Unlike the move from 130nm to 90 nm 2 years ago, this time Intel got it right.
Sounds to me like an PD 920 build is the way to go for your needs.

Link to article http://www.overclockers.com.au/article.php?id=452447
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post #64 of 91
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. I don't think you can find a single professional review backing your belief that Intel still holds the encoding crown, but I can find several backing mine.
To debunk your statment that AMD holds the holistic crown (Across the board) I need but one proof otherwise and I think that I have (see above) shown that.

Why I keep entering this foolishness is beyond me. Enough. I am out. I am now just being stupid arguing this stupidity. I have more important things to do.

I came to this site to help people. Not to argue in such a way.

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I find it highly amusing that a AMD user is getting called a Intel fanboy by some???
Ropey uses an opteron an obviously is not a fanboy. He has been showing valid proof that intel does a better job at encoding.

Other than that I guess I will just sit here untill the thread gets more out of hand so I can close it.
    
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post #66 of 91
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Originally Posted by Ropey
To debunk your statment that AMD holds the holistic crown (Across the board) I need but one proof otherwise and I think that I have (see above) shown that.

Why I keep entering this foolishness is beyond me. Enough. I am out. I am now just being stupid arguing this stupidity. I have more important things to do.

I came to this site to help people. Not to argue in such a way.

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Holistic crown? You keep trying to sidestep the discussion at hand and your claims are easily discussed without reducing this to a flamewar or fanboyish thread. You continue to run circles without commiting to a focus. I claim that AMD dual cores currently hold an advantage in all aspects of computing. You claim that Intel is better at encoding. I can find many professional reviews backing my claim, can you find any backing yours? Again, this is a very simple topic. There's no reason to sidestep it and attempt to change the meaning of what I posted. I know what I meant, I wrote it. If you would like to continue discussing the performance of the dual core processors and defend your encoding statement, feel free to back it up.
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post #67 of 91
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Holistic crown? You keep trying to sidestep the discussion at hand and your claims are easily discussed without reducing this to a flamewar or fanboyish thread. You continue to run circles without commiting to a focus. I claim that AMD dual cores currently hold an advantage in all aspects of computing. You claim that Intel is better at encoding. I can find many professional reviews backing my claim, can you find any backing yours? Again, this is a very simple topic. There's no reason to sidestep it and attempt to change the meaning of what I posted. I know what I meant, I wrote it. If you would like to continue discussing the performance of the dual core processors and defend your encoding statement, feel free to back it up.
If the two of you want to scrap, do it via PM. Lets keep it friendly and on topic here.

The guy isn't looking for the top benchmarked computer it would seem. Nonwon can tell the difference between a 955 XE and a FX60, guranteed. I think this guy would be much happier sticking to a processor that performs great and it 20% cheaper than it's competitor. Hence, I think the Pentium D 920 is the way to go. Please read my previous post.
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Holistic crown? You keep trying to sidestep the discussion at hand and your claims are easily discussed without reducing this to a flamewar or fanboyish thread. You continue to run circles without commiting to a focus. I claim that AMD dual cores currently hold an advantage in all aspects of computing. You claim that Intel is better at encoding. I can find many professional reviews backing my claim, can you find any backing yours? Again, this is a very simple topic. There's no reason to sidestep it and attempt to change the meaning of what I posted. I know what I meant, I wrote it. If you would like to continue discussing the performance of the dual core processors and defend your encoding statement, feel free to back it up.
Please show us then. I have seen many reviews as well that show both so should we just say that this is undecided? Why is it that he has posted benchmarks and you just sit there taunting him? And as I mentioned above you can not have a AMD rig and be a Intel Fanboy.
    
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I find it highly amusing that a AMD user is getting called a Intel fanboy by some???
Ropey uses an opteron an obviously is not a fanboy. He has been showing valid proof that intel does a better job at encoding.

Other than that I guess I will just sit here untill the thread gets more out of hand so I can close it.
3 graphs of encoding is valid proof that intel does a better job at encoding? C'mon, you can't be serious. These are all in rebuff of your statement that Intel dominates multimedia encoding......
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7....html?tag=lnav
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7....html?tag=lnav
http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/...9197754,00.htm
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,120656,00.asp

Again, a few graphs mean nothing. I can link you to professional reviews stating that AMD dual core processors hold an edge in encoding. Can you show me any that claim Intel is better at encoding?
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Originally Posted by sccr64472
3 graphs of encoding is valid proof that intel does a better job at encoding? C'mon, you can't be serious. These are all in rebuff of your statement that Intel dominates multimedia encoding......
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7....html?tag=lnav
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7....html?tag=lnav
http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/...9197754,00.htm
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,120656,00.asp

Again, a few graphs mean nothing. I can link you to professional reviews stating that AMD dual core processors hold an edge in encoding. Can you show me any that claim Intel is better at encoding?
And please tell me how many people can tell the difference between the AMD and Intel rig? Absolutely none! It is just about the benchmarks.

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This is my

The Intel Pentium D 920 is sub $250. (price cut to around $200 on 24 March). It has been easily overclocked to 4.0Ghz+ on air without a sweat. (about 41% increase in FSB! on air!)

Overclock Australia did an excellent review of the Intel 920/955 and AMD X2 3800+ and FX60. They compared the chip at stock speeds where AMD kicked butt, then they overclocked to what they considered the average enthusiast could do on water, and then compared them:

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For dual core entry-level products we see the situation like this: The X2 3800+ runs faster in gaming than a Pentium D 920. In applications both processors run neck-to-neck with a slight advantage for the 3800+. On the other hand a Pentium D 920 is between 15% and 20% cheaper and overclocks clearly better: We achieved with air-cooling a 45% frequency increase and believe that 40% (or around 3900 MHz) are achievable with almost every air-cooled 920. Overclocked to its maximum stable frequency we found the 920 outrunning a maxed out X2 3800+ in almost all benchmarks.
Quote:
For the time being we recommend a buyer considering an entry level dual core processor to have a good look at Intel’s Pentium D 920.
Quote:
To sum it up: The general battle order between Intel and AMD has not changed with the introduction of the 9xx series, but Intel’s single and dual core desktop products have improved their relative position quite a lot to their advantage.
and on Intel move to 65nm processors:

Quote:
Unlike the move from 130nm to 90 nm 2 years ago, this time Intel got it right.
Sounds to me like an PD 920 build is the way to go for your needs.

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