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Sadly, that's not the case in ZvT. reaper proxies are incredibly OP and I think it'll still be a viable strategy by many terrans even after the upcoming patch. Zerg is a reactionary race, and with the numerous openings that terran has atm with limited scouting abilities for zerg as a good terran will wall off and snipe your overlord as soon as he see's it trying to get inside the base, it just seems so unbalanced in ZvT scenarios.

And if you've played in high-level plat/mid-level diamond league, you'd know that broodlords/corruptor composition is rarely seen as the game wouldn't even be up to that point.
Are you kidding me? I see broodlord corropter all the damn time, and ultras even more.

TvZ is not as easy as you guys make it seem FOR real. Who cares what the pros say, most people aren't even remotely at their level. Take it from a 600~ Diamond Terran player that its a tough match up on both sides. TvZ is my most difficult match up. I beat Terran and Protoss players way more often.

I understand that Z has weak points early and Terran has many options, but a good Z player would have adapted by now period. I rarely beat out Z in the early game like I used before the Z players learned how to deal with it. It's also very map dependent.
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Are you kidding me? I see broodlord corropter all the damn time, and ultras even more.

TvZ is not as easy as you guys make it seem FOR real. Who cares what the pros say, most people aren't even remotely at their level. Take it from a 600~ Diamond Terran player that its a tough match up on both sides. TvZ is my most difficult match up. I beat Terran and Protoss players way more often.

I understand that Z has weak points early and Terran has many options, but a good Z player would have adapted by now period. I rarely beat out Z in the early game like I used before the Z players learned how to deal with it. It's also very map dependent.
The true balance of the game is shown by the best of the best. If you look at all the TvZ matches in tournament games, you'd know that none of those games involve a broodlord/corruptor composition.

And speaking of good zerg players, pretty much all the top zerg players atm are agreeing with the fact that terran is OP... some of them are even considering switching race (Dimaga, sheth). Idra, one of the best zerg players in North America AND South Korea, is notoriously known for bming the hell out of terran players, and I don't blame him.

And I never said that terrans win automatically in early games vs zergs, but the potential early harass like repear rush, reactor hellions, banshee rush, and various other effective openings that can be hidden very well, all add up to an economical advantage in the long-run
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The true balance of the game is shown by the best of the best. If you look at all the TvZ matches in tournament games, you'd know that none of those games involve a broodlord/corruptor composition.

And speaking of good zerg players, pretty much all the top zerg players atm are agreeing with the fact that terran is OP... some of them are even considering switching race (Dimaga, sheth). Idra, one of the best zerg players in North America AND South Korea, is notoriously known for bming the hell out of terran players, and I don't blame him.

And I never said that terrans win automatically in early games vs zergs, but the potential early harass like repear rush, reactor hellions, banshee rush, and various other effective openings that can be hidden very well, all add up to an economical advantage in the long-run
First off, never listen to idrA. When have you ever see him actually use his brain for anything beyond macro? He himself admits he is too stubborn to do things to win at times. TLO is a top player and he's been saying for ages that TvZ is fine... in fact he will pick Z vs T's a lot of the times to prove his point ( even in big tournaments ). Top players can say what they like but the fact is, until they switch over and show how much easier it is with Terran there words are pretty meaningless. You think Morrow won vs idrA because Terran is OP? Don't think so. Artosis himself says Morrows terran is just plain sick, and idrA hadn't had the most practice vs that build ( reapers ). Diamaga also TRAINED morrow exactly how to use that reaper build to beat idrA. Not only that, but idrA played like crap, and Diamaga himself played much better vs morrow.

If you look at a lot of the tournament results as whole, its a pretty even mixture of winnings. You got Huk winning tournaments with Toss over here, you got idrA winning some tournaments, White-Ra winning some tournaments, Tester winning a whole bunch of tournaments. It's not like Terran is the only one winning, or even winning THAT much more than others. Maybe if Z's didn't whine and complain so much they would have more players to show how good Zerg is. Sorry if you have 180,000 T players, 190,000 P players, and 100,000 Z players obviously there will be more T and P players dominating.

Now, I'm not saying the game IS balanced, I'm saying it's not so badly balanced that its as big of a deal as others make it out to be, especially Platinum players and below. They need to just keep practicing before they let some excuse like balance prevent them from getting better.

And I did see plenty of tournament matches with Ultras, that's for sure.
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Terren is so terribly imbalanced its stupid. End of discussion. MM me daily.

To elaborate, I'm specificly upset with my main race I like to play being Protoss, I can't go anywhere in 1v1 plat bracket atm. EVERYBODY is playing Terren, their base unit [Marines] counter all of my air units economicly and militarily, being the ONLY mineral unit that can attack air units. Then their Marauders counter my Stalkers, my Zealots (whole early game) and they will tear a Colossus apart. . so how do I win? Their Cosmat will destroy my Dark Templar. . if I could EVER make it there which I couldn't vs. a MM, and next patch my Zealots will be farther nerfed . . GG for toss.
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L2P. That's all I'm going to say.
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I'm pretty convinced that until Terran is removed from the game this whining will never end. Makes me sad. Very few whiners in SC1/BW, I wonder where they all came from?
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L2P. That's all I'm going to say.
Really? Thanks for that informative help, I obviously hacked my way to Platinum league 1v1, maybe even got carried by my partner.
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Really? Thanks for that informative help, I obviously hacked my way to Platinum league 1v1, maybe even got carried by my partner.
You'd probably be in Diamond if didn't mentally hold yourself back with balance issues that are far from proven with such a young game.
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I'm pretty convinced that until Terran is removed from the game this whining will never end. Makes me sad. Very few whiners in SC1/BW, I wonder where they all came from?
WC3.

I just think its funny that so many people here think its a case of building the right units to counter the enemy, the beauty of starcraft is that it has NEVER been like that. There is no rock>paper>scissors tech tree like almost every other RTS. Starcraft is about scouting, planning, timing and micro - In that order.

You can have the perfect unit comp to counter your opponents army, but if they straightup out micro and out manoever you, you wont stand a chance.
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I just watched an awesome game.

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