Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › PC Gaming › [Official] Starcraft 2 Strategy & Discussion Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[Official] Starcraft 2 Strategy & Discussion Thread - Page 1009

post #10081 of 25319
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigFan View Post
Pretty true. Delaying lair tech is really problematic but teching too fast doesn't work either, it's a delicate balance between the two. I've lost games to just banshees because I didn't tech fast enough to get a hydralish den or spire and my 1-2 queens weren't enough. I think the best Z defense against banshees if you are teching up slowly is to make 2 spores near hatcheries and another 2 or so near other structures so that the banshees can't just snipe a structure and escape like I've seen done before
It doesn't really help because a good player will snipe all your workers. Watch the game I posted above!
post #10082 of 25319
A huge problem with fast hellions is that they're cheap enough to sacrifice them to kill workers, which means they attack with little or no fear. Terrans get an early hellion ball and it's virtually guaranteed that they'll get at least their money's worth out of it, and typically much more than that, especially with medivac drops having to be accounted for. Either zerg loses mass drones or he is forced to quickly make a heavy investment in roaches and spinecrawlers, which is not what zerg wants to do. Immediately after the medivac/hellions you get tanks, marauders, and marines showing up outside the zerg natural, maybe with a banshee or two. All those crawlers and roaches are worthless against sieged-up tanks with MM support. It's irritating that the tanks are produced out of the same structure as the hellions, which means the tech switch is seamless and quick. The banshees are also produced out of the same structure as the medivacs. Trainsitioning from medivac/hellion to banshee/tank is super easy because the tech lab is so fast and cheap. I'd like the tech lab to be a bit more expensive and have a longer build time.
Foldar
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-6600k Asus Z170 Maximus VIII Hero Asus Strix GTX 750 Ti 2x8GB GSkill Ripjaws DDR4-3200 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Crucial MX200 SSD 250GB, WD Caviar Black 2TB Noctua NH-D15S Windows 10 Pro 64bit Asus PB278Q 1440p 
PowerCase
EVGA Supernova P2 850W Phanteks Enthoo Pro 
  hide details  
Reply
Foldar
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-6600k Asus Z170 Maximus VIII Hero Asus Strix GTX 750 Ti 2x8GB GSkill Ripjaws DDR4-3200 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Crucial MX200 SSD 250GB, WD Caviar Black 2TB Noctua NH-D15S Windows 10 Pro 64bit Asus PB278Q 1440p 
PowerCase
EVGA Supernova P2 850W Phanteks Enthoo Pro 
  hide details  
Reply
post #10083 of 25319
Quote:
Originally Posted by rhed5 View Post
I see your point but remember with the early harass, you aren't going for the killer blow, but just to keep zerg on its toes. When he put down 1-2 spines and went roach/banes just for from your helions, what does that tell you? He had to have invested a serious ton of resources and larvae in to that, and won't be able to deal with banshees. Even with 2-3 helions, zerg is in a tough spot as with the early 2 rax push, you can delay their gas/zergling speed upgrade.
Speedlings/Roaches with banes is standard ZvT though. He's not investing a serious ton of resources if he plays standard since in the long term those units will always be useful. Two spines only costs 200 minerals and 2 drones and will hold off any early marine/hellion pressure. By the time that you have enough to get past the 2 spines he should have Lair tech.
My Current Rig
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom X4 965BE @ 3.4GHz Gigabyte Nvidia GTX260 216 2X2GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
1TB WD HDD & 250GB WD HDD Windows 7 Asus VH 23" LED LCD Logitech Media 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Sparkle 550w CM690 MS Intellimouse 3.0 Qck+ 
  hide details  
Reply
My Current Rig
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom X4 965BE @ 3.4GHz Gigabyte Nvidia GTX260 216 2X2GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
1TB WD HDD & 250GB WD HDD Windows 7 Asus VH 23" LED LCD Logitech Media 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Sparkle 550w CM690 MS Intellimouse 3.0 Qck+ 
  hide details  
Reply
post #10084 of 25319
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwarren View Post
Speedlings/Roaches with banes is standard ZvT though. He's not investing a serious ton of resources if he plays standard since in the long term those units will always be useful. Two spines only costs 200 minerals and 2 drones and will hold off any early marine/hellion pressure. By the time that you have enough to get past the 2 spines he should have Lair tech.
The strat I'm seeing lately is to get a big enough hellion ball(usually about 5) to overwhelm 2 crawlers. The hellions end up getting killed off but not before they shred the zerg workforce. It's a sacrifice that is well worth the money for T. The good T players are continually sending hellion balls(sometimes with medivac drops) until zerg spends big enough on roaches/crawlers to counter, then the tech switch to tanks/banshees happens. It's an easy switch because the same structures are used. The roaches and crawlers are useless against properly supported tanks and banshees. I'm also seeing early hellion/marauder combos. The marauders are great against roaches, and the hellions fry lings and drones.
Foldar
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-6600k Asus Z170 Maximus VIII Hero Asus Strix GTX 750 Ti 2x8GB GSkill Ripjaws DDR4-3200 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Crucial MX200 SSD 250GB, WD Caviar Black 2TB Noctua NH-D15S Windows 10 Pro 64bit Asus PB278Q 1440p 
PowerCase
EVGA Supernova P2 850W Phanteks Enthoo Pro 
  hide details  
Reply
Foldar
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-6600k Asus Z170 Maximus VIII Hero Asus Strix GTX 750 Ti 2x8GB GSkill Ripjaws DDR4-3200 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Crucial MX200 SSD 250GB, WD Caviar Black 2TB Noctua NH-D15S Windows 10 Pro 64bit Asus PB278Q 1440p 
PowerCase
EVGA Supernova P2 850W Phanteks Enthoo Pro 
  hide details  
Reply
post #10085 of 25319
Quote:
Originally Posted by rhed5 View Post
If you are pressuring correctly, the zerg won't have any breathing space to even go lair tech. This is especially true in close positions or close maps. It's really difficult for zerg to determine what the terran is doing after 2 rax pressure, you ask yourself is he going 4 rax, going helions, expanding? even after helions, you have to be wary of their timing attacks, banshees, expo'
There are points where its too risky to apply pressure to Zerg.
Quote:
Originally Posted by vdek View Post
ffuuu that's exactly what happened to me yesterday in a game :/

You can feel my pain here =[

http://justin.tv/vdek/b/278838741

Granted, I was really tired when I played that game since it was nearly 3:30am and I was laddering for 4 hours straight. His final push wasn't actually that strong and SHOULD have been easily stoppable had I held off his banshees a bit better.
You played that game so poorly as I said last night. That had nothing to do with the strat, and everything about you handling it poorly, especially because you knew it was coming.

Quote:
Originally Posted by vdek View Post
It doesn't really help because a good player will snipe all your workers. Watch the game I posted above!
See above, you gave all those workers to him for free. No queen at your main half the game, poor crawler positioning, uprooted crawler at your nat for a good 2-4 minutes.

I've done that exact strategy as Terran many many times and if you prepare with 1-2 spores at each base and 1-2 extra queens its pretty much GG because all that money will have been a waste. It's only strong when Zerg is caught off guard, which you were not.

As you said too, if you didn't let those banshess do that much damage you could have easily ran him over.
Edited by DoomDash - 2/3/11 at 2:37pm
1440P Extreme.
(17 items)
 
Now the wifes PC.
(14 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
I7 3930K @ 4.4ghz Asus Rampage IV Extreme 2011 EVGA GTX 980 Ti 6GB FTW EVGA GTX 980 Ti 6GB FTW 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
G,skill Ripjaw Z series 2400 32gb Samsung 840 Pro Seagate 3TB 7200 RPM  Western Digital mainstream 3TB  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 Pro LG Bluray Burner Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 Windows 10 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Monoprice 27" 2560x1440 IPS LED Razer Black Widow Tournament Edition Corsair RM1000 CoolerMaster Storm Trooper 
Other
EVGA SLI Bridge 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel I7 870 @ 3.6 ghz ASUS P7P55D-E Pro EVGA 680 GTX 4gb EVGA 680 GTX 4gb 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveOS
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4x 4GB) DDR3 Samsung 830 128 GB SSD, WD 2TB 7200 RPM LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner Windows 7 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer G24, 24" 1920x1200 Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Antec TruePower 750 COOLER MASTER Storm Scout 
MouseMouse Pad
Rat7 Razer eXactMat 
  hide details  
Reply
1440P Extreme.
(17 items)
 
Now the wifes PC.
(14 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
I7 3930K @ 4.4ghz Asus Rampage IV Extreme 2011 EVGA GTX 980 Ti 6GB FTW EVGA GTX 980 Ti 6GB FTW 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
G,skill Ripjaw Z series 2400 32gb Samsung 840 Pro Seagate 3TB 7200 RPM  Western Digital mainstream 3TB  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 Pro LG Bluray Burner Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 Windows 10 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Monoprice 27" 2560x1440 IPS LED Razer Black Widow Tournament Edition Corsair RM1000 CoolerMaster Storm Trooper 
Other
EVGA SLI Bridge 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel I7 870 @ 3.6 ghz ASUS P7P55D-E Pro EVGA 680 GTX 4gb EVGA 680 GTX 4gb 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveOS
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4x 4GB) DDR3 Samsung 830 128 GB SSD, WD 2TB 7200 RPM LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner Windows 7 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer G24, 24" 1920x1200 Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Antec TruePower 750 COOLER MASTER Storm Scout 
MouseMouse Pad
Rat7 Razer eXactMat 
  hide details  
Reply
post #10086 of 25319
ok question, to get promoted to a higher rank is there a required % wlr or do you just got to be consistently beating the higher ranked players?
post #10087 of 25319
Quote:
Originally Posted by vdek View Post
First details announced about the MLG Pro Circuit for SC2. First place is $50k :O Rivaling the GSL!!!

http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/new...lg-pro-circuit
50k once a year for the national champs.
w/ 5k throughout the year @ 5 events each.
post #10088 of 25319
Quote:
Originally Posted by w00t View Post
ok question, to get promoted to a higher rank is there a required % wlr or do you just got to be consistently beating the higher ranked players?
just consistently beat higher ranked players and you'll be promoted.
post #10089 of 25319
In my opinion opening marines/hellions into banshees is too risky against zerg. It seems really gimmicky and if your marine/hellion push fails you're pretty much screwed and wasted resources on banshees and a starport. Even if you did a good amount of damage with your marines/hellions chances are he will have still teched to lair/spire if hes on two bases by the time your first banshees pops or shortly after. I've been seeing a lot of top terran players go double rax into double fac blue flame hellions into standard siege tank/thors with M&M's while getting upgrades. It seems a lot less gimmicky and stronger than going into banshees. As long as the terran go poke and prod with his marines/hellions and do some trading with minimal losses than hes in a very good position.
My Current Rig
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom X4 965BE @ 3.4GHz Gigabyte Nvidia GTX260 216 2X2GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
1TB WD HDD & 250GB WD HDD Windows 7 Asus VH 23" LED LCD Logitech Media 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Sparkle 550w CM690 MS Intellimouse 3.0 Qck+ 
  hide details  
Reply
My Current Rig
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom X4 965BE @ 3.4GHz Gigabyte Nvidia GTX260 216 2X2GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
1TB WD HDD & 250GB WD HDD Windows 7 Asus VH 23" LED LCD Logitech Media 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Sparkle 550w CM690 MS Intellimouse 3.0 Qck+ 
  hide details  
Reply
post #10090 of 25319
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwarren View Post
In my opinion opening marines/hellions into banshees is too risky against zerg. It seems really gimmicky and if your marine/hellion push fails you're pretty much screwed and wasted resources on banshees and a starport. Even if you did a good amount of damage with your marines/hellions chances are he will have still teched to lair/spire if hes on two bases by the time your first banshees pops or shortly after. I've been seeing a lot of top terran players go double rax into double fac blue flame hellions into standard siege tank/thors with M&M's while getting upgrades. It seems a lot less gimmicky and stronger than going into banshees. As long as the terran go poke and prod with his marines/hellions and do some trading with minimal losses than hes in a very good position.
Yep. Def a gimmick. I hate that build, it either works because the Zerg doesn't know how to prepare, or it causes you to just lose. I ran that build like 100 times from beta to early release.
1440P Extreme.
(17 items)
 
Now the wifes PC.
(14 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
I7 3930K @ 4.4ghz Asus Rampage IV Extreme 2011 EVGA GTX 980 Ti 6GB FTW EVGA GTX 980 Ti 6GB FTW 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
G,skill Ripjaw Z series 2400 32gb Samsung 840 Pro Seagate 3TB 7200 RPM  Western Digital mainstream 3TB  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 Pro LG Bluray Burner Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 Windows 10 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Monoprice 27" 2560x1440 IPS LED Razer Black Widow Tournament Edition Corsair RM1000 CoolerMaster Storm Trooper 
Other
EVGA SLI Bridge 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel I7 870 @ 3.6 ghz ASUS P7P55D-E Pro EVGA 680 GTX 4gb EVGA 680 GTX 4gb 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveOS
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4x 4GB) DDR3 Samsung 830 128 GB SSD, WD 2TB 7200 RPM LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner Windows 7 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer G24, 24" 1920x1200 Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Antec TruePower 750 COOLER MASTER Storm Scout 
MouseMouse Pad
Rat7 Razer eXactMat 
  hide details  
Reply
1440P Extreme.
(17 items)
 
Now the wifes PC.
(14 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
I7 3930K @ 4.4ghz Asus Rampage IV Extreme 2011 EVGA GTX 980 Ti 6GB FTW EVGA GTX 980 Ti 6GB FTW 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
G,skill Ripjaw Z series 2400 32gb Samsung 840 Pro Seagate 3TB 7200 RPM  Western Digital mainstream 3TB  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 Pro LG Bluray Burner Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 Windows 10 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Monoprice 27" 2560x1440 IPS LED Razer Black Widow Tournament Edition Corsair RM1000 CoolerMaster Storm Trooper 
Other
EVGA SLI Bridge 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel I7 870 @ 3.6 ghz ASUS P7P55D-E Pro EVGA 680 GTX 4gb EVGA 680 GTX 4gb 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveOS
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4x 4GB) DDR3 Samsung 830 128 GB SSD, WD 2TB 7200 RPM LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner Windows 7 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer G24, 24" 1920x1200 Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Antec TruePower 750 COOLER MASTER Storm Scout 
MouseMouse Pad
Rat7 Razer eXactMat 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: PC Gaming
Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › PC Gaming › [Official] Starcraft 2 Strategy & Discussion Thread