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Finally 2800+.

Wins vs Zerg today with no cheese: 0-1

Wins vs Zerg today with Marine SCV pushes : 3-0.

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Hey Dash, do you have replays of a game with the no-cheese win and with the scv pushes? I wanna see how both work, if you dont mind plz?
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Any Protoss try this 5 zealot 8 stalker build? Apparently if you do it right, you have 5 zealots and 8 stalkers at ~6:25, right around the time a normal warpgate would be cooling down from it's first wave of warp-ins/Just warping in the second wave. Documented here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=171264

EDIT: It's kind of lame, and all-in-ish, but might be worth a try.
Edited by Raptor_Jesus - 2/4/11 at 7:29am
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A huge problem with fast hellions is that they're cheap enough to sacrifice them to kill workers, which means they attack with little or no fear. Terrans get an early hellion ball and it's virtually guaranteed that they'll get at least their money's worth out of it, and typically much more than that, especially with medivac drops having to be accounted for. Either zerg loses mass drones or he is forced to quickly make a heavy investment in roaches and spinecrawlers, which is not what zerg wants to do. Immediately after the medivac/hellions you get tanks, marauders, and marines showing up outside the zerg natural, maybe with a banshee or two. All those crawlers and roaches are worthless against sieged-up tanks with MM support. It's irritating that the tanks are produced out of the same structure as the hellions, which means the tech switch is seamless and quick. The banshees are also produced out of the same structure as the medivacs. Trainsitioning from medivac/hellion to banshee/tank is super easy because the tech lab is so fast and cheap. I'd like the tech lab to be a bit more expensive and have a longer build time.
I dunno know how Blizzard intends to fix it, but, hellion harass followed by MMT is pretty hard to stop. I guess fast teching to mutas with some crawlers and getting a warren to get some roaches as you tech are the best option atm

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Speedlings/Roaches with banes is standard ZvT though. He's not investing a serious ton of resources if he plays standard since in the long term those units will always be useful. Two spines only costs 200 minerals and 2 drones and will hold off any early marine/hellion pressure. By the time that you have enough to get past the 2 spines he should have Lair tech.
That 200 could've went for something else Having said that, I usually lay spines down anyways, because, I'll rather be safe against any harass

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As for the maps, I like 1-3, but 4 is hella imba for Terran ( main can be hit my siege tanks ), and 5 I just didn't like. 1 is like a fair version of lost temple!! I like it.
Are these maps, the same ones that the GSL adopted?

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Here's my new PvZ strat which is pretty hard for a zerg to deal with. This is the 2nd time I've done it, so the opening can sure be improved, but I got priceless reaction from the opponent.

Normally it works even better, but he scouted my whole tech early on, which still didn't help him against the mighty mothership.
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Here's my new PvZ strat which is pretty hard for a zerg to deal with. This is the 2nd time I've done it, so the opening can sure be improved, but I got priceless reaction from the opponent.

Normally it works even better, but he scouted my whole tech early on, which still didn't help him against the mighty mothership.
I'm at work so I can't watch, but I'm assuming mothership rush? I had a masters player try those shenanigans against me, scouted him out with suicidal overseer and went mass hydra with just a few roaches.


He definetly wasn't the first to try it either, has yet to work on me.
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I'm at work so I can't watch, but I'm assuming mothership rush? I had a masters player try those shenanigans against me, scouted him out with suicidal overseer and went mass hydra with just a few roaches.


He definetly wasn't the first to try it either, has yet to work on me.
No rush at all. A regular macro play based around mothership and +3 archons. You guess the rest.
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Yeah at first I was trying to figure out why you were going down every tech tree toss had to offer. But then when I saw the fleet beacon, and archons being morphed, I knew I was going to watch something beautiful. Gotta love the Archon toilet, if done correctly.
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No rush at all. A regular macro play based around mothership and +3 archons. You guess the rest.

what was your opening and meta game? and how did the zerg respomd?

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Hey Dash, do you have replays of a game with the no-cheese win and with the scv pushes? I wanna see how both work, if you dont mind plz?
Well I used to do more tank Marine medivac builds, but lately I've been doing Thor's. TvZ is by far my worst match up though so this may not help you.


Non-cheese TvZ:




Cheese TvZ:






Honestly the cheese is a pretty damn strong strat. It punishes people who power / don't build spines / slow bane. If you look at the way I normally do it I even have a fast in base command center to replace my scvs if they do manage to hold it off. Almost always you will come out ahead unless he is very prepared for it. It's probably broken in it's current state but it's the only thing that I can figure out how to reliably beat Zerg @ equal skill level.
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No rush at all. A regular macro play based around mothership and +3 archons. You guess the rest.
Archon toilet???? Yessss DLing.
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