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Originally Posted by Katana View Post
MULE is every 50 energy. Chrono Boost is every 25, and you have to take a moment to decide what you currently need most for production. If it is easier, it's certainly not "obviously" easier.
That and protoss don't need to take multiple peons off the line to build buildings, like terran does. Though in late game (assuming the terran hasn't decided to only go MMM through "late game" ), it does benefit terran in a certain way. However, there is a bit of debate past mid game, it is better to use MULES or use that energy for scans and supersupplydepots.
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Sure but if you look at every pvt replay, even with few more probes terrans get much more resources with less scvcs.
    
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Sure but if you look at every pvt replay, even with few more probes terrans get much more resources with less scvcs.
Sure but the mule is a terran speciality which helps with gathering minerals, similar to chronoboost for protoss and spawn larvae.

In terms of what race is easiest to play, well, I think everyone here missed it. It all depends on the type of player you are. If you like harass, T/P are better than Z at doing that early to mid game. There really isn't an easy one so to speak because they are all unique so they can't be compared. I've always seen protoss as the micro race, with many different abilities and they are a dream to play if you love micro. Zerg has always been macro, keep on expanding, take over map, droning, etc.... and only make units when needed. Terran is in the middle, you need good macro to keep production but you also need micro in terms of positioning, etc....

TL;DR Can't be compared, opinion-> Zerg, macro race. Protoss, micro race. Terran, in between.
    
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post #10524 of 25319
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opinion-> Zerg, macro race. Protoss, micro race. Terran, OP easy win race.
Sounds about right.
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Sounds about right.
XD Terran isn't OP, maybe in the early game, MMM is pretty powerful but Protoss late game is hell to go up against especially when they get colossi. Most of my losses against Protoss as Zerg once I got used to their mechanics was when I would defend successfully against their first attack, then 5-10 minutes later, they come with 2-3 colossi and some stalkers, my units stood no chance. Given I could've probably macro'd more to get more units and scouted the colossi for corruptors, but, colossi are too powerful especially when you have a couple out :/
    
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Of course it has. Everyone knows that calling down mule/vomiting larva every x seconds is much harder than timing and wisely distributing chronoboost. Also 4szzzzzz or 5aadd is way more difficult then checking gateways cool down and warping in units. Finally there's no doubt that, especially in lower leagues 1ta is just too much for some players unlike proper forcefield use.

It's a common sense that protoss doesn't require good micro and macro. It's kinda auto-win race. Most pros don't play it because of self-respect.

Check a bunch of pro replays. You'll see hard it is to keep that queen energy near 0 and don't miss production out of barracks or factory. At the same time, even in gold, nexus energy is always super low and warp gate cycles are never missed.[/sarcasm]
We are saying in the lower leagues, based upon stats. No one said anything about higher leagues where things are much much different.
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XD Terran isn't OP, maybe in the early game, MMM is pretty powerful but Protoss late game is hell to go up against especially when they get colossi. Most of my losses against Protoss as Zerg once I got used to their mechanics was when I would defend successfully against their first attack, then 5-10 minutes later, they come with 2-3 colossi and some stalkers, my units stood no chance. Given I could've probably macro'd more to get more units and scouted the colossi for corruptors, but, colossi are too powerful especially when you have a couple out :/
Yeah, a failure of MMM play is not everyone makes the transition over to mech (terrans late game power), since MMM can win the game.
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Of course it has. Everyone knows that calling down mule/vomiting larva every x seconds is much harder than timing and wisely distributing chronoboost. Also 4szzzzzz or 5aadd is way more difficult then checking gateways cool down and warping in units. Finally there's no doubt that, especially in lower leagues 1ta is just too much for some players unlike proper forcefield use.

It's a common sense that protoss doesn't require good micro and macro. It's kinda auto-win race. Most pros don't play it because of self-respect.

Check a bunch of pro replays. You'll see hard it is to keep that queen energy near 0 and don't miss production out of barracks or factory. At the same time, even in gold, nexus energy is always super low and warp gate cycles are never missed.[/sarcasm]
You must be a Protoss player, huuh? I didn't say Protoss didn't take skill. I said it had the easiest mechanics. WHICH IT DOES, BY FAR. I'm saying this as someone who mained Protoss since the beta and ever since I've been playing Random.
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My girlfriend was watching me explain all the races to her back in the day, and she was like, ooo Protoss looks easy!

Just saying . For new comers Protoss is a good race. Higher leagues every race is very close and has their own unique pros and cons.
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