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You should really consider doing other builds in PvsP. I know that a 4 gate is a good strat but meh, I think one should learn about all the possible builds and experiment with them I know you tried others in the past before the phoenix col build but maybe there is something you missed?
Sadly, only in Code S will you see PvP sometimes not doing 4wg builds. Even in Masters 4wg is really powerful. It's so easy to win against someone who tries to tech. One missed FF and it's gg.

Btw LiquidTyler isn't that good. I've watched his stream...

My bro xNJakeBake broke the top 200. Woot!
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what other builds are there?

I've done offensive 520 4 gate all in
canon rush at 13
defensive 4 gate into blink, 3 gate offensive blink
2 gate robo expand or cancel fe into 3 gate robo attack or 3 gate robo col
2 gate robo fe star, 2 gate star fe, 2 gate star fe cancel into 3 gate star
the macro ones are the 2 gate robo fe into col into dt/archon, or col into phoe into dt

Only thing i haven't done is defensive gateway into prism dt, which only works in gold and lower.
    
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what other builds are there?

I've done offensive 520 4 gate all in
canon rush at 13
defensive 4 gate into blink, 3 gate offensive blink
2 gate robo expand or cancel fe into 3 gate robo attack or 3 gate robo col
2 gate robo fe star, 2 gate star fe, 2 gate star fe cancel into 3 gate star
the macro ones are the 2 gate robo fe into col into dt/archon, or col into phoe into dt


Only thing i haven't done is defensive gateway into prism dt, which only works in gold and lower.
Defensive 4wg into Robo is the most common and successful imo. I also have a cannon build that isn't quite standard to say the least
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Can one base support that much and can blink stalkers builds counter it?

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Okay I really need someone to take a look @ this replay please. I am not sure at all what I did wrong.

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/1...erg-gutterhulk
You're the zerg in that replay right?

have to learn how to defend against a forge fe type 6gate +1weap timing push. You can either bum rush him with lings or roaches of 1.5 bases, or tech to hydras/mutas to defend it, or tech to nydas and bum rush main. Or, hide a drone, build a hatch in his main base.
    
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any body mid diamond and above want to be my practice partner add me :

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Okay I really need someone to take a look @ this replay please. I am not sure at all what I did wrong.

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/1...erg-gutterhulk
Will take a look tommorrow, going to bed soon

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Sadly, only in Code S will you see PvP sometimes not doing 4wg builds. Even in Masters 4wg is really powerful. It's so easy to win against someone who tries to tech. One missed FF and it's gg.

Btw LiquidTyler isn't that good. I've watched his stream...

My bro xNJakeBake broke the top 200. Woot!
That's very sad actually. I like variety and dislike how many go for a 4 gate :/ Congrats to your bro

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what other builds are there?

I've done offensive 520 4 gate all in
canon rush at 13
defensive 4 gate into blink, 3 gate offensive blink
2 gate robo expand or cancel fe into 3 gate robo attack or 3 gate robo col
2 gate robo fe star, 2 gate star fe, 2 gate star fe cancel into 3 gate star
the macro ones are the 2 gate robo fe into col into dt/archon, or col into phoe into dt

Only thing i haven't done is defensive gateway into prism dt, which only works in gold and lower.
Not sure, was mostly adding in the idea that you should rotate your build so that your games are more unique, but, again if 4 gate build is going well in every PvsP you play, I guess there is no reason to make life harder XD
    
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Sadly, only in Code S will you see PvP sometimes not doing 4wg builds. Even in Masters 4wg is really powerful. It's so easy to win against someone who tries to tech. One missed FF and it's gg.

Btw LiquidTyler isn't that good. I've watched his stream...
Yea I've watched him yesterday losing to cannon rush and like 4 4gates in a row, but tbh it seemed like he didn't really care too much about winning and threw some games away.

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Can one base support that much and can blink stalkers builds counter it?

You're the zerg in that replay right?

have to learn how to defend against a forge fe type 6gate +1weap timing push. You can either bum rush him with lings or roaches of 1.5 bases, or tech to hydras/mutas to defend it, or tech to nydas and bum rush main. Or, hide a drone, build a hatch in his main base.
6 gate has been designed to kill muta play. You need hydras and/or burrow roach.
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Is anyone here going to the Cybercraft tournament?

Also, I will help anyone here up to mid-level Diamond (though at that level, you might just become a practicing partner). I can play all three races (though Zerg has been most appealing to me as of lately).
Edited by Idra - 3/14/11 at 10:05pm
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Yea I've watched him yesterday losing to cannon rush and like 4 4gates in a row, but tbh it seemed like he didn't really care too much about winning and threw some games away.



6 gate has been designed to kill muta play. You need hydras and/or burrow roach.
Though I agree as I kill muta ling zergs with that combo easy, I'm still a member of the day9 school of thought that it's not necessarily unit x countering unit y, but how the macro and game is controlled. If zerg does go to mutas with 3 bases vs a 6 gate +1 timing push and pick off the pylons/sentries, then the ball is entirely in zerg's court. Speedlings can pick off stalkers. There's still a lot to do for the zerg then as toss can turtle until blink and storm.
    
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God fudge it. I keep getting rolled by MM balls like 5 minutes in.

Should I just gate until I have an expansion?
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