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Originally Posted by DoomDash;12838111 
Afraid so my friend, afraid so. I played SC1 since the very beginning. I played when people like Agent911 were the famous pros, when the IN clan was big. I played since before battle.net could even work with a router to save its life, on kali. I was also playing in X17 on battle.net in its prime.

**** look I even have battle reports of me from the year 2000. I've played both, SC1 for years and years, and I am telling you SCII is better in almost every way.
http://www.battlereports.com/viewreports.php?reportnum=2809

and when did you stop playing/watching sc1?
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"Although, as someone who is currently playing SC2 professionally, I would have to say that yes, SC2 is inferior to SC1." Liquid`Jinro

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Originally Posted by Vuashke;12845737 
"Although, as someone who is currently playing SC2 professionally, I would have to say that yes, SC2 is inferior to SC1." Liquid`Jinro

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Curious when did he mention that? confused.gif If it was at the start of SCII, it's more understandable than atm. BW has had its time. It's still a fantastic game no doubt, but, now its SCII's time and once the NASL and IGN tourney start, SCII will likely surpass BW in popularity smile.gif
    
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Originally Posted by Vuashke;12845737 
"Although, as someone who is currently playing SC2 professionally, I would have to say that yes, SC2 is inferior to SC1." Liquid`Jinro

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Lot's of pros say the opposite. I'm sure its a matter of preference.

Even Jinro may like SCI more than II, but you bet your ass he still loves II. It could be purely nostalgia.

I'm telling you I loved SC1 with all my heart.. it's been my 2nd favorite game of all time since I could hold a controller / keyboard. Now I just say my 2nd favorite game is "Starcraft 1 and 2". Just hope you keep an open mind.
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Originally Posted by Vuashke;12845737 
"Although, as someone who is currently playing SC2 professionally, I would have to say that yes, SC2 is inferior to SC1." Liquid`Jinro

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If Sc1 had waypoints, larger-than-12 control groups, etc. Than I would agree.

But as it stands, Sc2 is so much more fun simply because of the fact that it does not require as much tedious APM.
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Originally Posted by DoomDash;12845852 
Lot's of pros say the opposite. I'm sure its a matter of preference.

Even Jinro may like SCI more than II, but you bet your ass he still loves II. It could be purely nostalgia.

I'm telling you I loved SC1 with all my heart.. it's been my 2nd favorite game of all time since I could hold a controller / keyboard. Now I just say my 2nd favorite game is "Starcraft 1 and 2". Just hope you keep an open mind.
Curious, what's your first? Oh, wait, nm likely doom tongue.gif I agree though, BW is a great game and like doom, I played it a lot(not competitively though) and kept on coming back year after year, but, some parts of BW seem really outdated gameplay-wise when compared to SCII and this is why more are getting into SCII due to the lower APM requirements smile.gif
    
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Curious, what's your first? Oh, wait, nm likely doom tongue.gif I agree though, BW is a great game and like doom, I played it a lot(not competitively though) and kept on coming back year after year, but, some parts of BW seem really outdated gameplay-wise when compared to SCII and this is why more are getting into SCII due to the lower APM requirements smile.gif

Yeah lots of SC1 was "work", and I think that's the problem with it. SCII cut out the work and got straight to the best stuff. Still a great game for its time though.

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i cant remember when he said it because someone sigged it on tl lol. he said it on tl though, i remember reading it. i dont think it was too long ago

it really isnt sc2's time, blizzard is just trying to push sc2 as an e-sport because they know it wouldnt develop as one on its own with brood war around. competition is fierce and without a doubt the players in the brood war scene are more skilled.

yeah, maybe sc2 will surpass brood war in popularity. it hasnt in korea, i dont know about the foreign scene because the korean scene is the one im interested in. but popularity is not what im talking about. im talking about junk like mbs, enormous control groups, armies that automatically arc + all the other junk that blizzard has implemented to make sc2 as noob friendly as possible

i really cant watch sc2 streams/vods, its just so incredibly boring compared to brood war. blobs running into eachother, english commentators, iron and zergbong winning gsls lol

im not bitter at sc2, its more like im bitter at blizzard for *certain* things theyve done. as a long time brood war fan, blizzard is dead to me (not because of sc2 - well not from the game anyway.)
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Originally Posted by Norman Bum;12845933 
If Sc1 had waypoints, larger-than-12 control groups, etc. Than I would agree.

But as it stands, Sc2 is so much more fun simply because of the fact that it does not require as much tedious APM.

you seriously think control groups of 30 is better than control groups of 12?

yes, thats the problem this ideal of fun. what you think of just 'work' may not be considered the same by others. but im talking about the competitive aspect of the game. when you remove the need to control large amounts of units in different hotkeys, macroing without a couple of keystrokes, the skill difference between players evaporates and the game stagnates into insufferable allins and build order wins/losses.

sc2 may be fun as a casual game, but it will never be able to match the competitiveness of brood war, short of blizzard seriously reconfiguring the game (which they wont do because blizzard doesnt give a **** about anything except $$$ anymore.) outdated gameplay-wise? go on, please tell me more. people are getting into sc2 more in the foreign community because they want to win something for once, not because the game is better
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Originally Posted by Vuashke;12846105 
i cant remember when he said it because someone sigged it on tl lol. he said it on tl though, i remember reading it. i dont think it was too long ago

it really isnt sc2's time, blizzard is just trying to push sc2 as an e-sport because they know it wouldnt develop as one on its own with brood war around. competition is fierce and without a doubt the players in the brood war scene are more skilled.

yeah, maybe sc2 will surpass brood war in popularity. it hasnt in korea, i dont know about the foreign scene because the korean scene is the one im interested in. but popularity is not what im talking about. im talking about junk like mbs, enormous control groups, armies that automatically arc + all the other junk that blizzard has implemented to make sc2 as noob friendly as possible

i really cant watch sc2 streams/vods, its just so incredibly boring compared to brood war. blobs running into eachother, english commentators, iron and zergbong winning gsls lol

im not bitter at sc2, its more like im bitter at blizzard for *certain* things theyve done. as a long time brood war fan, blizzard is dead to me (not because of sc2 - well not from the game anyway.)

sorry, people aren't machine's like korean sc1 progamers.

sc2 w/o mbs, auto-mine, and large control groups would be fail on a mass-level. and blizzard is a business, and as a BUSINESS you have to cater to the masses, not the 0.0001% of people capable of playing @ 300+ apm for 20+ minutes for 12+ hours/day

although i think sc2 would be way more fun and interesting to watch @ the pro-level if control groups were narrowed down (say ~24/group) but but MBS and auto-mine has to stay.
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