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I didn't specifically look @ the army number throughout the replay. Sentries, however, are needed early game for survival, but are even MORE crucial the higher the food count goes. Mainly for GS.

His +1 Marines = 7 dmg, Your +3 will take 3dmg @ health value and w/ GS that's 1 dmg per marine. @ high numbers like 20 marines thats 20 health damage rather than 60 every .5 seconds, that's 40dmg compared to 120dmg every second. So imagine a 10second fight, 400:1200, 800dmg is huge.

GS+3Armor even punishes marauders even more since they attack so slow, +1 Rauders will do 5(17armored) so you can do the math there.

Then there's FF that cuts food depending on where you FF, imagine if you engage in a good spot and FF and cut his food in half. If you guys are both 'true-max' it'd be your 200 vs his 100. 100 food difference is like 16 colossi

idk, I always look @ the math cause you can't let unit bias get in the way.

Like how VDEK, Jediwin and I are telling Doom to make Medivacs, but he doesn't want to make medivacs, even though Medivacs are great mathematically, his bias makes him not make Medivacs.

For T, I try to keep 5/6 sentries with me all game.
For Z, I try to keep 8/9 sentries with me all game.
Remaking til I hit those numbers.
Surprisingly, I agree with this lachen.gif I think looking at SCII mathematically is a good idea but 8/9 sentries, isn't that a bit much? Why not go for 5/6 which give you the ability to make a lot of FF provided energy is maxed and use the gas for another colossi or 2 VRs, etc....? I do have to say that I'm surprised doom doesn't use medivacs, those things can make or break a battle and are really vital. Think going against slings+blings then once MM dispatches of most of the slings, you can order the medivacs to pick them up right before the banes make impact, works like a charm wink.gif
    
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I didn't specifically look @ the army number throughout the replay. Sentries, however, are needed early game for survival, but are even MORE crucial the higher the food count goes. Mainly for GS.

His +1 Marines = 7 dmg, Your +3 will take 3dmg @ health value and w/ GS that's 1 dmg per marine. @ high numbers like 20 marines thats 20 health damage rather than 60 every .5 seconds, that's 40dmg compared to 120dmg every second. So imagine a 10second fight, 400:1200, 800dmg is huge.

GS+3Armor even punishes marauders even more since they attack so slow, +1 Rauders will do 5(17armored) so you can do the math there.

Then there's FF that cuts food depending on where you FF, imagine if you engage in a good spot and FF and cut his food in half. If you guys are both 'true-max' it'd be your 200 vs his 100. 100 food difference is like 16 colossi

idk, I always look @ the math cause you can't let unit bias get in the way.

Like how VDEK, Jediwin and I are telling Doom to make Medivacs, but he doesn't want to make medivacs, even though Medivacs are great mathematically, his bias makes him not make Medivacs.

For T, I try to keep 5/6 sentries with me all game.
For Z, I try to keep 8/9 sentries with me all game.
Remaking til I hit those numbers.
Yea I totally agree with PvZ but in PvT I'm not sure more than 2-3 sentries for GS are needed late game.

Unlike PvZ in PvT most of the time you're going to be zealot heavy and cutting his army in half is not so effective, because it blocks your zealots from the other half of his army, especially once you have charge. Also 600 gas is 6 immortals or 4 HTs which you could have had in your army instead of the sentries. Finally ghosts can turn your sentries into expensive probes with 1 emp.

I'll have to pay attention to it when watching PvT replays. Didn't notice much past-midgame sentry usage in today's TSL games.
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That's what I meant by unit bias: You'd rather spend the 600gas on "beefier" units than the the support unit.

All good, I used to be pretty Sentry-bias too and made too many stalkers in certain situations. But I've learned to re-make Sentries.

With the new EMP change, Ghosts only take 100energy now instead of everything. So just keep those senties max energy!

You should give it a try though.
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I think I'd like to learn to play protoss and zerg, what should I do so that I don't tank my rating (lolol gold you can't tank it much lower than that anyways lolol)? Custom games are great and all, but the quality of players varies so wildly I don't know whether I'm going to face a diamond player or someone who hasn't even played their 5 placement matches and it shows (actual experiences). Should I do it in 4v4 randoms just to get timings and build orders and mechanics down? Or will that defeat the purpose of learning how to play 1v1?

I like terran, I just think by playing the other races I would understand how to play against them in a more knowledgeable way- like how I now understand in TvT that if my opponent shows up at my base with cloaked banshees in 8 minutes, he probably doesn't have any tanks. I've done that rush to cloaked banshees myself and understand that you can't afford both, so if I hold the banshees off without losing too many SCVs, he'll then be pretty much screwed barring some retardation on my front.

So should I 4v4/3v3 as random? Or what?
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You should play 1v1 Custom games against someone near your skill level or better, play them over 100+ times.
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RootQXC is now FXOqxc. And guess what? I played FXOAnthony in ladder and he recognized me from Overclock.net and said hello, even joined our channel.

Pretty cool to have played someone on a famous team now, and I even beat him ( barely ).

Anthony do you ever lurk our thread anymore bro? You are their admin?
ya i am still mostly, but i was playing customs with them recently just started 2 weeks ago and they asked me if i would like to play so you can think of me as a future investment, i got a lot of learning to do as i've only been at it a couple weeks.
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ya i am still mostly, but i was playing customs with them recently just started 2 weeks ago and they asked me if i would like to play so you can think of me as a future investment, i got a lot of learning to do as i've only been at it a couple weeks.
oh, ok, so you're Anthony. Was wondering which of our OCNs it was
    
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oh, ok, so you're Anthony. Was wondering which of our OCNs it was
yup i am a big lurker
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yup i am a big lurker
lol, it's np. I don't post here as much as I used to anymore, although, I'm still 2nd only to doom Also, nice to see a fellow Canadian
    
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