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time for my obligatory question I have to ask every once in a while...

has the GSL started doing team games yet/will they?

I find a lot of team games silly, but i'm sure something like MarineKing + SlayerSBoxeR team would be magic...
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Originally Posted by Sainesk View Post
time for my obligatory question I have to ask every once in a while...

has the GSL started doing team games yet/will they?

I find a lot of team games silly, but i'm sure something like MarineKing + SlayerSBoxeR team would be magic...
You mean like 2v2? They have team matches like, Slayers vs IM.
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Cool I've beat people in the top 200 occasionally too, doesn't mean much. All I know is Z is easier to play against T than vise a versa. I'm pretty confident my barely played Zerg could easily beat my T right now. I know it has a lot to do with my skill set, but macro and playing what is needed to kill T, is much easier than what is needed for T to kill Z ( much less thinking too ). Even in theory the match is more complicated with all the work Terran needs to do.

I've always said Terran is probably better than Zerg if both players play damn near perfect, but unless you are at that level its easily Zerg favored @ equal skills. Blizzard has made it clear the game is not balanced at the pro level skill, because otherwise reaper speed would still be tech lab on barracks tech only, so all I'm asking is for the match to be even in skill @ all levels of play, including mid masters.
Idra was first in ladder, currently 3rd, and easily considered to be in the top 5 skill wise in NA imo. But enough of that.

If you believe the game in unbalanced so much your just hurting yourself more. If you truly believe Z is OP then your starting games with a mindset that you can't win if your opponent is as good as you. There are tons of options for T to open against Z, and you don't always have to necessarily FE to have a chance. In most games where I see Terran dominate Z it is with good tank placement, and more importantly excellent marine micro.

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time for my obligatory question I have to ask every once in a while...

has the GSL started doing team games yet/will they?

I find a lot of team games silly, but i'm sure something like MarineKing + SlayerSBoxeR team would be magic...
There will never be "team" games in GSL because the "pros" of team games only cheese. Cheese always wins against any standard play in 2v2s for example.

Anyone watch GSL from last night? oGsNada vs oGsZenio? ZvT; excellent game, highly recommended.
Edited by cory1234 - 4/21/11 at 12:28pm
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You mean like 2v2?
yea, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4... they can split any prize money etc. it might be fun?

also Aiur chef needs pro tournament too... (jk)
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Idra was first in ladder, currently 3rd, and easily considered to be in the top 5 skill wise in NA imo. But enough of that.

If you believe the game in unbalanced so much your just hurting yourself more. If you truly believe Z is OP then your starting games with a mindset that you can't win if your opponent is as good as you. There are tons of options for T to open against Z, and you don't always have to necessarily FE to have a chance. In most games where I see Terran dominate Z it is with good tank placement, and more importantly excellent marine micro.

It doesn't matter if I believe it's imbalanced or not. I practice the match 10x more than any other match up because of it. Still by far the hardest match up. If anything it will make me a better player when I can finally come over the imbalance.

I'm not dodging the match up because of what I believe, I have a strong mind and I take things head on.
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Cheese always wins against any standard play in 2v2s for example.
I disagree, while it's nothing to brag about I managed to make it to 2v2 diamond using nothing but day9s 1 base roaches to lair build mainly going to muta harass...

and i'll admit I also tried the 5 minute 4gate "cheese" just to get the 2v2 2 protoss two-way dominant achievement and it fails miserably at this level...
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I disagree, while it's nothing to brag about I managed to make it to 2v2 diamond using nothing but day9s 1 base roaches to lair build mainly going to muta harass...

and i'll admit I also tried the 5 minute 4gate "cheese" just to get the 2v2 2 protoss coverage and it fails miserably at this level...
I did have an 80% win ratio in 2v2R Masters until a week ago where the awesome matchmaking system pairs me with plat/low diamond players and we end up playing a paired team and just get stomped. I believe I'm still around the top 30 in NA and most of the games I win are basically cheese rushes. Whether it be cannon rush/10 pool or proxy gate/rax. The games I lose are when my partner tries to play standard i.e. 15 pool and our opponent will proxy/10 pool.

2 Protoss's is the worst combination you can have in 2v2s imo.
Edited by cory1234 - 4/21/11 at 12:40pm
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Because EMP no longer renders them useless? Unless they all sit in a nice pack, and have less than 200 energy EMP isn't that useful anymore vs Zerg. If they are at all spread out, or even burrowed it would take a godly amount of EMP's to make a few infestors useless. Snipe is a much better alternative, and it's really lame of Blizzard to over looking one extra sniping being needed to kill an infester. Literally 45 damage of over kill for a spell that should be intended to kill a 90 hp unit in 2 snipes.


You know if you have a SEA account you can also come on NA for free right? Anyway my friend opens 3 gate phoenix PvP quite often in Masters and I see him winning with it all the time.
heh ok? Just wondering. I watch Sheth play a lot and he never really spreads his infestors out.. Every time I play against Terran I always wonder why they don't get a few ghosts and EMP since even decreasing the cast of fungal by 2-3 could easily change the battle.

Not sure how you would snipe a really good zerg as they usually have a ****load of overlords later on in the game overtop of their army against marines/stalkers/Hydras to prevent that sort of stuff with the infestors in the middle(as range is low).
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Snipe is range 10..... Would make for some really cool tactical range play.

And they may not spread out their infestors now, but they will as they get used to infestor play, then all of a sudden EMP is kind of a waste.
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Snipe is range 10..... Would make for some really cool tactical range play.

And they may not spread out their infestors now, but they will as they get used to infestor play, then all of a sudden EMP is kind of a waste.
Ghosts aren't really used too much against Z because Terran has to go tanks in ZvT, while in TvP Terran's rarely go tanks unless they are doing a mech build. The benefit is TvP is much greater when you can render FF/Guardian shield/storms useless and cut the armies life in half..lmao. The gas cost isn't worth it for a few infestors in TvZ imo.
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