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NA has WAY more noobs lol, middleground (silver - gold/plat maybe) EU >>>>>>>> NA
Top level its about the same.

But Z gets stomped unless done 100% right. Especially against P
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Sorry but I disagree. Maybe it's just me or the P players I go up against are just noobs but I don't have a hard time with P. Infact, I think my ZvsP rate has went up and is somewhat on par with ZvsT. I've been in the late games against P and have went up against carriers, colossi, hts, motherships, etc.... I've even been in games where I was outmacroed(realized after watching replay(opponent took more bases, more workers, etc....)) and still won. My point is, the only time I've ever lost against P is in the early game when I decided to just make 2 crawlers and drone up without scouting and then can't make enough units to hold the attack

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Disagree ? I'm talking from experience vs you reading what EU players post . At top 100 its true though.

and I know you agree with me on TvZ as well, even if you don't play at the same level.
lol, true dat @ bolded. I dunno about TvsZ, I like the match up. It feels great and I love the micro component a lot

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I don't know about the lower leagues, and I agree ZvP is hard.

ZvP and TvZ are in the same category of hard to me.
How are they in the same category if you've never laddered ZvsP?
    
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Sorry but I disagree. Maybe it's just me or the P players I go up against are just noobs but I don't have a hard time with P. Infact, I think my ZvsP rate has went up and is somewhat on par with ZvsT. I've been in the late games against P and have went up against carriers, colossi, hts, motherships, etc.... I've even been in games where I was outmacroed(realized after watching replay(opponent took more bases, more workers, etc....)) and still won. My point is, the only time I've ever lost against P is in the early game when I decided to just make 2 crawlers and drone up without scouting and then can't make enough units to hold the attack


lol, true dat @ bolded. I dunno about TvsZ, I like the match up. It feels great and I love the micro component a lot


How are they in the same category if you've never laddered ZvsP?
Its different at silver (your level) I find lower tier's seem to be more unsure of when to push so it always kinda ends up in a macro game
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Its different at silver (your level) I find lower tier's seem to be more unsure of when to push so it always kinda ends up in a macro game
I disagree with your statement for one reason. I think figuring out a timing window to attack/push out isn't as hard as you make it sound. Maybe I'm playing as T and want to push out. I scan, try to see his composition and if he has colossi, etc.... If I find that he's just wrapping in the structure, then I might decide to push out then before he gets colossi, put a dent in his army or maybe even win the game outright. If I'm P, I might push out once I get the +1 upgrade with a decent size army to 2 shot lings, etc.... or I might wait to get colossi if my opponet is going mass slings/roaches+hydras. In the end, I believe it all comes down to scouting, your unit composition and having an understanding on the different units/counters in the game.

Given, it's not easy either, just need the experience(more games) to decide when to push out. As Zerg, usually I wait for the first push since it almost always comes. As T/P, I'll try drops(T) or some early harass(P) to control the game flow. My point is, I find that in most of my games I always get attacked/will attack around the 8-10min mark. Maybe its different in EU then, but, i dunno
    
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Were you trying to say "committee"?
Yes, but I can easily blame that on mobile positing.
    
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Yes, but I can easily blame that on mobile positing.
You mean posting?
    
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Wins 51/52 took me from #1 silver to #6 gold, woot

That said, I can't disagree with thealex that lower leagues are somewhat predictable, but I disagree that it always turns into macro games...

ZvX has played out like: enough gas for speed then back to minerals for 2nd queen/xpo. Push slings before 5:00 mark, based off how that works/what I see either finish off with slings, or transition back to gas for roach push around 9:00. If that fails, I've done enough damage and prevented his xpo while building my own economy and it transitions very well to mid-game. Most games end in the mid-game, and only a handful have made it to big macro/hive tech... my $0.02 from the bronze/silver leagues
    
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Quick question, what's a good Terran counter to mass mutas, assuming Z knows the magic box so Thors don't work?
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Quick question, what's a good Terran counter to mass mutas, assuming Z knows the magic box so Thors don't work?
Vikings do real nice, but yeah Thors are optimal unless the Z magic boxs
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You mean posting?
How embargoing, thanks for correcting me!
    
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Vikings do real nice, but yeah Thors are optimal unless the Z magic boxs
vikings are completely useless against mutas. 1v1, vikings win, but as numbers increase the effectiveness of vikings DECREASE EXPONENTIALLY due to glaive wurms. As a mid-high diamond terran player, vikings are NEVER used to counter mutas. Thors are ok if scvs are repairing, but the real main counter are just stimmed marines. Marines rip through mutas if they ever catch up. The last excellent counter are battlecruisers which are becoming increasingly more viable due to the recent battlecruiser speed buff of 30%.

Tl;dr
vikings never work. marines.
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