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Congrats on graduating.

I think tanks are pretty bad vs Protoss in 95% of situations personally.
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Originally Posted by DoomDash;13374341 
Congrats on graduating.

I think tanks are pretty bad vs Protoss in 95% of situations personally.

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Ehhhh. That's the thinking that makes people go bio. The pro's go bio, and everyone else follows. I think mech will become more popular eventually. Blue flame hellion, tank, banshee can be pretty damn good.

If you remember tanks used to be used a lot in TvP, before they were nerfed 15 damage or so. Can't remember if that was Beta or retail.
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Originally Posted by cory1234;13374366 
Thanks biggrin.gif

Ehhhh. That's the thinking that makes people go bio. The pro's go bio, and everyone else follows. I think mech will become more popular eventually. Blue flame hellion, tank, banshee can be pretty damn good.

If you remember tanks used to be used a lot in TvP, before they were nerfed 15 damage or so. Can't remember if that was Beta or retail.

It was more than 15 damage. It was 25 damage less vs light, and 10 damage vs armored. I see pros use tanks too... and that's when they get crushed by a Protoss who doesn't do anything fancy, they just make the right units and kinda walk out of bunker / tank contains.

I watched qxc try tanks for months too... and to quote him "when I make mech vs Protoss I just think of all the ways they can kill me". That's exactly how I feel, and it has nothing to do with the pros.

The tank is my favorite unit in the game, I would love for it to be better vs Protoss.

It does have SOME situations on a few maps where you can abuse the range safely, but beyond that not impressed. Protoss has too many counters to it.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DoomDash;13374407 
It was more than 15 damage. It was 25 damage less vs light, and 10 damage vs armored. I see pros use tanks too... and that's when they get crushed by a Protoss who doesn't do anything fancy, they just make the right units and kinda walk out of bunker / tank contains.

I watched qxc try tanks for months too... and to quote him "when I make mech vs Protoss I just think of all the ways they can kill me". That's exactly how I feel, and it has nothing to do with the pros.

The tank is my favorite unit in the game, I would love for it to be better vs Protoss.

It does have SOME situations on a few maps where you can abuse the range safely, but beyond that not impressed. Protoss has too many counters to it.

Obviously there are certain unit combinations that work and others that don't. If an certain combination worked in every scenario it would be OP, but you know that. The marine/tank/raven/banshee all in is still pretty strong vs P for the simple fact that scouting is hard for P, and getting a robo takes times, and getting hallo leaves you vunerable to 3 rax all ins.
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I only all in vs Zergs in close pos ( sometimes ).
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I find my best chance of success with protoss vs zerg in the silver league (where I'm at) is to 2 gate rush them asap with 3-5 zealots (before they mass roaches)
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Originally Posted by CravinR1;13374661 
I find my best chance of success with protoss vs zerg in the silver league (where I'm at) is to 2 gate rush them asap with 3-5 zealots (before they mass roaches)

Wall off, scout, go immortals they will CHEW through roaches, then get the Colossi out and it's gg.
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Wall off, scout, go immortals they will CHEW through roaches, then get the Colossi out and it's gg.

How do you expand if you wall off ?
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Wall off the natural. You either forge fe and wall off the natural, or #gate expand while either walling it off with pylons, buildings, canons or wall off certain areas while leaving other areas open, then have your sentries ready while you expand. ogs.MC vs liqRet on met (day9 video) is a great example of a forge FE that guard against ling runby (but not vs roach bust).
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Obviously there are certain unit combinations that work and others that don't. If an certain combination worked in every scenario it would be OP, but you know that. The marine/tank/raven/banshee all in is still pretty strong vs P for the simple fact that scouting is hard for P, and getting a robo takes times, and getting hallo leaves you vunerable to 3 rax all ins.

I've see that strat work in so many pro games to say it is indeed very powerful. What I can see on ladder is that terran will always have a strategy in mind that can kill P in one attack. There are timings where each bo leaves the terran very vulnerable to a timing attack. Toss can win by winning that way.

The best thing about these terran one or one and a half basing plays is that they have the contain or map control, they can revert to macro from an all in situation and still come out ahead.
    
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My TvP is @ 70%+ in ladder, and I can tell you from my own experiences that those all ins are really gimmicky and most people who lose to them deserve it. That and bio is better 99% of the time.
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