Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › PC Gaming › [Official] Starcraft 2 Strategy & Discussion Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[Official] Starcraft 2 Strategy & Discussion Thread - Page 134

post #1331 of 25319
Quote:
Originally Posted by thiru View Post
It encourages turtling as well as air units (void rays, mutalisks etc) and leaves you completely vulnerable to early game pushes in the real leagues.

Nobody should play the 50 practice games.
I might do a couple more practice games then jump into the real league

Quote:
Originally Posted by DoomDash View Post
Practice games are stupid as heck.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThumperSD View Post
practice games are soooooo slow
Well, I wouldn't say stupid or soo slow, but, yes, I find that in my recent games I've started relying on air units a lot more compared to ground. Personally, would love to flood someone's base with zerglings but I find that terran players seem to go for air units, mostly lots of vikings and then some go for banshees and considering that in some of my matches, I used to take my time to make air units or forget to lay down some spore structures for defense, I would love my drones and the whole game for that mistake. I've since learned to make sure to lay down a couple of spore structures around my base for this exact scenario

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cindex View Post
So skip the rest? I only played three of them.
Likely will after a couple more, I just don't wanna jump in and lose all 5 of my games

Quote:
Originally Posted by |\\/|0D3R|\\|♠\\/\\/4R|=4R3♠2 View Post
Here is why zerg is the worst race:

1) Starter unit zergalings can't shoot and are weaker than your opponents workers. Terran get marine right away they can provide air defense or ground defense, and kill zerglings even before they can get close.
First, you get two zerglings for the price of one marine. The time it takes to build a barracks is pretty close to the time it takes to make a pool and then by the time, they decide to mass marines to attack you, you could mass zerglings to counter. Yes, marines do have range to attack zerglings and can give you air defense however it's pretty weak in comparison to other air units. Decent in groups but still marines and zerglings are both good starter units

2) Zerg can only build on creep. This sucks, terran can build where ever they want to and they don't have to worry about creep.
Might be true, two things to consider. First, base management can be pretty annoying for terrans and second you could spread creep ALL over a terran's base preventing them from being able to build any structures until they kill your overloads. An interesting strategy to consider but one that I haven't tried yet. Protoss need pylons as well, so, your point is somewhat mute.

3) Zerg loose workers when to bulid buildings.
Correct they do, however making workers is pretty quick and won't set you back. Also, consider that destroying zerg buildings releases broodlings which could help in eliminating some of the attacker's force unlike the protoss where destroying a pylon stops the building from functioning or terran where you get nothing.

4) No way to repair units, except roach, terran can repair units with SCV's.
Yes, you can't repair units but they do auto-regenerate themselves if that's the correct term. Also, the queen can heal any structures and all units will re-generate which is a plus even though it's on the slow side. Protoss can't repair structures either, only the shield regenerates and for terrans, once the building gets into the red range, it's life keeps on dropping till it explodes unlike zerg where even if it has one hp left, it won't explode

5) Zerg need to constantly keep clicking queen to spawn larvae.
Yes, they do but having a queen has it's benefits such as early air defense, along with spreading creeps by spawning a creep tumor
One thing you don't seem to consider is what Zerg is supposed to be in the game. They are supposed to be able to overwhelm their opponent with units, fast to expand, cheaper structures that auto-regenerate, etc....

Quote:
Originally Posted by DoomDash View Post
ohhhhhhhhhhh my goddddddddddddddddddd. Seriously modern warfare you couldn't have a more simplistic idea of Starcraft II.

I mean that entire post you listing off why Z is the worst is completely not thought out even remotely. I'm not even trying to talk **** I'm just telling you there could not be a more simplistic one sided way of looking at things. You don't even consider the Zerg advantages, or factor in anything that's realitve to the argument.

Zerg is amazing, /end. If I hear anymore Z players whine about Z I might tear my eyes out.
Agreed, very simplistic view of SC2. All three races are pretty well balanced and personally can't wait to see what the two expansions bring to the game
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Q6600 2.40GHZ Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L MSI GTX570 @ stock Corsair 2GB DDR2 800MHz 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
Seagate Barracuda 250GB Windows 7 Professional 64bit Samsung SW2494 24" Antec Earthpower 650W 
Case
Apevia X-Plorer 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Q6600 2.40GHZ Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L MSI GTX570 @ stock Corsair 2GB DDR2 800MHz 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
Seagate Barracuda 250GB Windows 7 Professional 64bit Samsung SW2494 24" Antec Earthpower 650W 
Case
Apevia X-Plorer 
  hide details  
Reply
post #1332 of 25319
Quote:
Originally Posted by thiru View Post
Wow, I never thought of shift-moving-blink to have the stalkers move smoothly..
Me either. DOH! I'll have to try that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by [nK]Sharp View Post
I didn't know SC2 was a chatroom :/
When you play TEAM games you need to talk to your TEAM mate. Except no one ever does Random teams = teh sux

Quote:
Originally Posted by |\\/|0D3R|\\|♠\\/\\/4R|=4R3♠2 View Post
Here is why zerg is the worst race:

1) Starter unit zergalings can't shoot and are weaker than your opponents workers.
Terran get marine right away they can provide air defense or ground defense, and kill
zerglings even before they can get close.

2) Zerg can only build on creep. This sucks, terran can build where ever they want to and they don't have to worry about creep.

3) Zerg loose workers when to bulid buildings.

4) No way to repair units, except roach, terran can repair units with SCV's.

5) Zerg need to constantly keep clicking queen to spawn larvae.
Wow... No.
Derptron 9000
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 5820k @ 4.5/3.7 ASRock X99 Extreme4/3.1 EVGA GTX 1070 FE SLI 4x4gb Ballistix Sport @ DDR2933 15-15-15-36 1T 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Intel 750 400GB XSPC RayStorm Windows 10 x64 Wasabi Mango UHD400 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Razer BlackWidow Tournament Edition EVGA Supernova 1000P Corsair 330R Blackout Corsair Vengeance M60 
Mouse PadAudio
Razer Goliathus Control Gungnir DS/Ragnarok/HE-560 
  hide details  
Reply
Derptron 9000
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 5820k @ 4.5/3.7 ASRock X99 Extreme4/3.1 EVGA GTX 1070 FE SLI 4x4gb Ballistix Sport @ DDR2933 15-15-15-36 1T 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Intel 750 400GB XSPC RayStorm Windows 10 x64 Wasabi Mango UHD400 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Razer BlackWidow Tournament Edition EVGA Supernova 1000P Corsair 330R Blackout Corsair Vengeance M60 
Mouse PadAudio
Razer Goliathus Control Gungnir DS/Ragnarok/HE-560 
  hide details  
Reply
post #1333 of 25319
Quote:
Originally Posted by poroboszcz View Post
***? I think you've got the wrong forums.
Hacks ruin this game. Blizzard needs to step up with some patches, and ban people for cheating.


Sign up for this tourney:
http://www.sc2thunderdome.com/index....164&Itemid=195
Edited by cory1234 - 9/9/10 at 7:25am
post #1334 of 25319
Thanks for taking down the links (although I meant the links on OCN, not the hosting itself, you can host it if you want, just not link here).

edit: keep in mind that this is a public forum with a LOT of guests (especially in the gaming section). Any random guy can use these hacks to make your life miserable in SC2.
Omicron Lyrae
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 BE @3.6 Asus M4A785TD-V EVO Sapphire HD5770 V2 OCZ 2x2GB Gold DDR3-1333 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Sony Lightscribe DVD-RW Windows 7 Professional 64-bit AOC F22+ 1080p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Cherry Scissor Switch Flat Keyboard OCZ StealthXstream 600W Cooler Master Elite 334 Microsoft Sidewinder 
  hide details  
Reply
Omicron Lyrae
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 BE @3.6 Asus M4A785TD-V EVO Sapphire HD5770 V2 OCZ 2x2GB Gold DDR3-1333 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Sony Lightscribe DVD-RW Windows 7 Professional 64-bit AOC F22+ 1080p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Cherry Scissor Switch Flat Keyboard OCZ StealthXstream 600W Cooler Master Elite 334 Microsoft Sidewinder 
  hide details  
Reply
post #1335 of 25319
Quote:
Originally Posted by cory1234 View Post
Hacks ruin this game. Blizzard needs to step up with some patches, and ban people for cheating.
I should have assumed, but didn't think about cheaters in SC2. I could care less how many people hack the single player game, but multiplayer is sacred. How bad was cheating in SC1 once they got a handle on what they could do about it?

I don't have a very soft stance on cheating. Maybe a warning the first time, something to give the person the benefit of the doubt.

Cheat 2 - lose your account. Too bad for you.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 @ 3.5 (1.39v) Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P ASUS 5850 @ 880/1180 (1.118v) 4gb 1333mhz G.Skill DDR3 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
64gb Crucial M4 SSD 3x 250gb WD2500JD - RAID0 1tb WD1001FALS 1tb WD10EARS 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Pioneer DLDVD/CDRW Arctic Freezer Pro 64 Win 7 64bit Ultimate E2305 LG 23" LED 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch II Ninja Tenkeyless Fortron BlueStorm II 500w CM 690II Advanced Razer DeathAdder 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
generic Echo Miamidi PCI M-Audio BX5a Studio Monitors 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 @ 3.5 (1.39v) Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P ASUS 5850 @ 880/1180 (1.118v) 4gb 1333mhz G.Skill DDR3 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
64gb Crucial M4 SSD 3x 250gb WD2500JD - RAID0 1tb WD1001FALS 1tb WD10EARS 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Pioneer DLDVD/CDRW Arctic Freezer Pro 64 Win 7 64bit Ultimate E2305 LG 23" LED 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch II Ninja Tenkeyless Fortron BlueStorm II 500w CM 690II Advanced Razer DeathAdder 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
generic Echo Miamidi PCI M-Audio BX5a Studio Monitors 
  hide details  
Reply
post #1336 of 25319
Quote:
Originally Posted by _02 View Post
I should have assumed, but didn't think about cheaters in SC2. I could care less how many people hack the single player game, but multiplayer is sacred. How bad was cheating in SC1 once they got a handle on what they could do about it?

I don't have a very soft stance on cheating. Maybe a warning the first time, something to give the person the benefit of the doubt.

Cheat 2 - lose your account. Too bad for you.
I'm in a class right now on this topic lol IST 454 Net Security. I think they should be banned the first time. If a person is cheating his entire record is compromised, and not only that but how many of his friends did he link the hacks to as well?
post #1337 of 25319
Quote:
Originally Posted by cory1234 View Post
I'm in a class right now on this topic lol IST 454 Net Security. I think they should be banned the first time. If a person is cheating his entire record is compromised, and not only that but how many of his friends did he link the hacks to as well?
The only reservation I have for outright banning on the first attempt would be the trouble that would cause people who have their account compromised, or have a jerk friend or brother that hacks their account without permission.

Or a false positive.

The warning would serve as something you could point to and say "WE TOLD YOU, you have no excuse."

Either way, cheaters are a sad bunch.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 @ 3.5 (1.39v) Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P ASUS 5850 @ 880/1180 (1.118v) 4gb 1333mhz G.Skill DDR3 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
64gb Crucial M4 SSD 3x 250gb WD2500JD - RAID0 1tb WD1001FALS 1tb WD10EARS 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Pioneer DLDVD/CDRW Arctic Freezer Pro 64 Win 7 64bit Ultimate E2305 LG 23" LED 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch II Ninja Tenkeyless Fortron BlueStorm II 500w CM 690II Advanced Razer DeathAdder 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
generic Echo Miamidi PCI M-Audio BX5a Studio Monitors 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 @ 3.5 (1.39v) Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P ASUS 5850 @ 880/1180 (1.118v) 4gb 1333mhz G.Skill DDR3 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
64gb Crucial M4 SSD 3x 250gb WD2500JD - RAID0 1tb WD1001FALS 1tb WD10EARS 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Pioneer DLDVD/CDRW Arctic Freezer Pro 64 Win 7 64bit Ultimate E2305 LG 23" LED 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch II Ninja Tenkeyless Fortron BlueStorm II 500w CM 690II Advanced Razer DeathAdder 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
generic Echo Miamidi PCI M-Audio BX5a Studio Monitors 
  hide details  
Reply
post #1338 of 25319

Weirdest opener I've ever seen (didn't even know you could do that creep trick)

Omicron Lyrae
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 BE @3.6 Asus M4A785TD-V EVO Sapphire HD5770 V2 OCZ 2x2GB Gold DDR3-1333 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Sony Lightscribe DVD-RW Windows 7 Professional 64-bit AOC F22+ 1080p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Cherry Scissor Switch Flat Keyboard OCZ StealthXstream 600W Cooler Master Elite 334 Microsoft Sidewinder 
  hide details  
Reply
Omicron Lyrae
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 BE @3.6 Asus M4A785TD-V EVO Sapphire HD5770 V2 OCZ 2x2GB Gold DDR3-1333 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Sony Lightscribe DVD-RW Windows 7 Professional 64-bit AOC F22+ 1080p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Cherry Scissor Switch Flat Keyboard OCZ StealthXstream 600W Cooler Master Elite 334 Microsoft Sidewinder 
  hide details  
Reply
post #1339 of 25319
Quote:
Originally Posted by thiru View Post
Weirdest opener I've ever seen (didn't even know you could do that creep trick)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTTFnBiM7Ts
Doesn't seem worth it to me. The terran player flat out sucks. He shouldn't have left that drone do that much harass in the first place. Second, if he would've attacked the evo chamber earlier instead of waiting all those minerals canceling a hatch and building the evo would've been wasted. He never scouted the banes either, a good terran will wall off with 2 large buildings to prevent that.

An interesting replay tho, I just wish the replay played at faster speed. It felt like it was in slo-mo.
post #1340 of 25319
Quote:
Originally Posted by cory1234 View Post
Hacks ruin this game. Blizzard needs to step up with some patches, and ban people for cheating.


Sign up for this tourney:
http://www.sc2thunderdome.com/index....164&Itemid=195
I defnatelly agree with you/// BUT. it is easy easy eays to get some one banned...

All you gotta do is send a OBVIOUS replay file...
I have banned about 5 players already, by sending the replay.

Also, I do not cheat online, I just do this because it is very entertaining for my studies.

But yeah...

Every patch they make, they ONLY change the Offsets of the FOG OF WAR, etc... so . They need to implement a CRC check to make it way harder and delay the cheaters.

But they made it tooo easy.
2 Fog Of War offsets, thats it. lol
Super Athlon
(13 items)
 
Ultra Intel
(14 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 64 FX-62 Windsor GIGABYTE GA-M59SLI-S5 AM2 ATI RADEON HD 5770 SUPER TALENT 4GB (4 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 800 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
SCSI 15000 RPM OS + 250GB 7200 SATA II Linux 9.10 Karmic Kaola EMPTY ATM Saitek Ultra 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
750W cheap one Custom Made DYNEX DELL 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7 2600K S 1155 046MHW 1 x GTX 980 8GB DDR3 Cas9 1866Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
2x Vertex 3 Raid 0 2x TB Raid 0 Hitachi Storage Hydro H70 7 Ultimage + Linux Gutsy 7.10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
VX2268WM Saitek Ultra 875 WATTS Alien Aurora R3 Modded 
MouseMouse Pad
G9X Xtrac RIPPER 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
PHENOM II X4 955 4.0 GHZ 790FX-GD70 GTX 480 8192 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
2 SSD Vertex 2 @ Raid 0. 2 250HDD's @ Raid 0 1 350 Linux 7.10 Gutsy + Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Samsung 21.5 Saitek Ultra 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Thermaltake Black Widow W0319RU 850W ATX 12V v2.3 Thermaltake Armor A90 Black Steel DYNEX DELL 
  hide details  
Reply
Super Athlon
(13 items)
 
Ultra Intel
(14 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 64 FX-62 Windsor GIGABYTE GA-M59SLI-S5 AM2 ATI RADEON HD 5770 SUPER TALENT 4GB (4 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 800 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
SCSI 15000 RPM OS + 250GB 7200 SATA II Linux 9.10 Karmic Kaola EMPTY ATM Saitek Ultra 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
750W cheap one Custom Made DYNEX DELL 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7 2600K S 1155 046MHW 1 x GTX 980 8GB DDR3 Cas9 1866Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
2x Vertex 3 Raid 0 2x TB Raid 0 Hitachi Storage Hydro H70 7 Ultimage + Linux Gutsy 7.10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
VX2268WM Saitek Ultra 875 WATTS Alien Aurora R3 Modded 
MouseMouse Pad
G9X Xtrac RIPPER 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
PHENOM II X4 955 4.0 GHZ 790FX-GD70 GTX 480 8192 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
2 SSD Vertex 2 @ Raid 0. 2 250HDD's @ Raid 0 1 350 Linux 7.10 Gutsy + Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Samsung 21.5 Saitek Ultra 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Thermaltake Black Widow W0319RU 850W ATX 12V v2.3 Thermaltake Armor A90 Black Steel DYNEX DELL 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: PC Gaming
Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › PC Gaming › [Official] Starcraft 2 Strategy & Discussion Thread