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http://www.nasl.tv/Statistics

ZvT: 55%
TvZ: 45%

In other words

Big maps, no chokes, terrible reinforcement speeds, immobile armies, reliance on t1, terrible t3, infestors, colossi. Think what you want to think. This is not qq, it is me presenting you a series of facts.
Things are different in the Korean scene most likely though. I think part of it is because Terran is the most obviously rewarding race so it just means skilled players pick Terran.. but that's just my opinion on the matter ( like BW ). In BW Terran was almost always the most dominate, but not because they were considered better. NASL is not really big enough to judge anything on by itself though, plus its not over.
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mass marines every game, select all, /dance
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Not SCII related, but I'd like my fellow SCII players to know Witcher 2 is a must buy!
I agree. It's pretty good.

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I can't believe ppl still fudging dt rush... Go back to bronze.
What's wrong with DT rush?

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Man Artosis is so full of poop.
He's definitely not as good of a player as he probably believes himself to be, but the interview is ok. And he's still a good caster.
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Not SCII related, but I'd like my fellow SCII players to know Witcher 2 is a must buy!
I loved the Witcher, hopefully 2 is more of the same

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mass marines every game, select all, /dance
hehe, I prefer /cheer
    
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I agree. It's pretty good.



What's wrong with DT rush?



He's definitely not as good of a player as he probably believes himself to be, but the interview is ok. And he's still a good caster.
DT' rushes are really strong vs Terran, even for the map control.

Yes, he is a good caster.


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http://www.nasl.tv/Statistics

ZvT: 55%
TvZ: 45%

In other words

Big maps, no chokes, terrible reinforcement speeds, immobile armies, reliance on t1, terrible t3, infestors, colossi. Think what you want to think. This is not qq, it is me presenting you a series of facts.
Statistics are interesting but taking such a small sample size is not very useful. there are allot of serious statistical outliers there, lots of people with 0% win rate vs certain races just through being seriously outclassed not by racial imbalance but by simply being out played. GSL may finals for example $ "free" ZvP wins, Nestea did not win because he was zerg he won because Inca played poorly any one at the top of their race would have won those games. You need to take statistics over a much bigger pool of games to come up with anything meaningful.

Given that is the case the balance being so close to 50% is remarkable

If you are referring to artosis statement that he feels that right now terran are the easiest race to play at high level, That doesn't necessarily mean he thinks they are more powerful simply that they are easier to play.

In the last GSL code S and A combined there were 27 t 25 p and 15z does that mean all the best players choose T & p or does it imply that Z is harder to play and thus only the exceptional make it? No one knows for sure. What i really want to see is a truly Gosu random player winning tourneys
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Statistics are interesting but taking such a small sample size is not very useful. there are allot of serious statistical outliers there, lots of people with 0% win rate vs certain races just through being seriously outclassed not by racial imbalance but by simply being out played. GSL may finals for example $ "free" ZvP wins, Nestea did not win because he was zerg he won because Inca played poorly any one at the top of their race would have won those games. You need to take statistics over a much bigger pool of games to come up with anything meaningful.

Given that is the case the balance being so close to 50% is remarkable

If you are referring to artosis statement that he feels that right now terran are the easiest race to play at high level, That doesn't necessarily mean he thinks they are more powerful simply that they are easier to play. Also he's said things like he doesn't like Terran because the Marauder is too effective / easy to use... then he picks Protoss ( colossus ), give me a break. This is why I say Artosis is full of ****.

In the last GSL code S and A combined there were 27 t 25 p and 15z does that mean all the best players choose T & p or does it imply that Z is harder to play and thus only the exceptional make it? No one knows for sure. What i really want to see is a truly Gosu random player winning tourneys
Also I would take anything Artosis says with a grain of salt, considering he is pretty much know for being the most biased person in the SC community since BW, along with idra. Though even idra says Zerg and Terran are equally as hard at high level.

Artosis and Idra both picked Zerg in beta because they thought they were the best race... so if Artosis believed Terran was the best race or easiest you bet your ass he'd pick them.

He's even said things like he doesn't like Terran because the Marauder is too good / easy to use, but then he picks Protoss, who has the easiest best unit / easy to use unit in the game ( colossus ). He is so full of ****.
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He's definitely not as good of a player as he probably believes himself to be, but the interview is ok. And he's still a good caster.
I don't know He thinks he's pretty bad right now, he's down on himself in every interview on his stream etc, the guys been at the top he knows what it feels like to be really good and he knows that at the moment he isn't.

as for him being full of poop, I think it was incontrol who said it on State of the game but it might have been someone else, In order for you to know enough about the game to make accurate statements about balance you need to be a professional player, if you are a professional player you will personally be too emotionally invested in a certain race to make your observations objective. Thus anything any player says regarding balance is mostly poop

I can relate to that, when I first started out I went P (later went R as I felt I would learn more of what each race can do plus I get bored easy ^^) And I honestly KNEW I Really KNEW terran were the most OP race they could just crush me every time with 0 skill, then I looked at my stats I had around a 70% winrate vs terran it was by a big margin my best matchup. bearing mind this was bronze league so my high win rate was down to them being bads not anything racial
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Oh I agree everyone is biased if they pick one race. But what about jediwin? He thinks Protoss is easy as hell and he plays random @ high master level .
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I agree that toss is the easiest race (even at the highest levels). I feel as though right now terran is the weakest race but imo the most fun to play because you have to be constantly harassing/poking/and just doing something in general.

I seriously think that collosus should be removed from the game, that way the toss would have to be more reliant on their ability to use warp prisms for drop harass or just in general harass.
Collosus destroys that aspect because the whole idea about going collosus is macroing up a huge deathball so that you can destroy everything in your path.
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