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But you're good vs Z? I floated on TvP for a long time, but this patch is ROUGH. Now I am pulling up my TvT and TvZ and getting crushed TvP. I think as long as you are sick at one match up you can get to masters.


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PvT is so easy for toss..3 gate contain and get to the lategame and you auto-win
Late game feels so lopsided right now... worse than amulet days because back then people weren't upgrading very well. This new archon change is disgusting. Did you guys just watch Cruncher vs QXC?

They are actually talking about possible nerfs now on the stream heh.
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Anyone else having issues connecting? I can go to manage account and it works but when I try SC2 it just says login info incorrect or subimitting non personal system specifications...
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LOL Chinese FTW. I'm racist against those Koreans! (except MC/San/Alicia, they're my hero).

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PvT is so easy for toss..3 gate contain and get to the lategame and you auto-win
Maybe so but there are still those that quickly three rax all in you on wide ramps like slag.
    
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Late game feels so lopsided right now... worse than amulet days because back then people weren't upgrading very well. This new archon change is disgusting. Did you guys just watch Cruncher vs QXC?

They are actually talking about possible nerfs now on the stream heh.
I disagree. Amulet was absolutely insane and granted protoss storms on-the-fly. I would take back amulet in exchange for the archon change any day.

Everyone talks about imbalance and all that jazz, TvZ is impossible, TvP is imbalanced, etc, etc. If the imbalance was so stark, why does terran have the highest win % of any race (masters & GM)? How are pros staying competitive, given their handicap? 3 protoss in top 15 at NASL.

Dare I say, nerf terran? No, because the game is VERY close to balanced right now.
    
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So, as Protoss, how do I deal with sling/bling/infestor + drops?
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So, as Protoss, how do I deal with sling/bling/infestor + drops?
There will always be imbalances on certain maps, at certain points in matches, and between various unit compositions.

In fact, there is imbalance between marines/lings/zealots. One is fast, one has range, and the other makes a great tank. Between the three, they aren't "balanced", but they each bring something to the table, making them "fair". You could argue that the entire game is balanced like this.

To answer your question;
- Snipe infestors with colossus.
- Make very good use of FF.
- Add zealots WITHOUT charge to deal with lings that get through.
- Phoenix work great to snipe off overlords, and to disable infestors.
- Make sure health/energy bars are always showing so that you can ignore low mana infestors.
- A good trick is to put yourself in a spot where you know the opponent will attempt a 2-front attack. Bait him into it and completely wall off one side, and take out portions at a time.
- HTs are awesome vs this army composition too.

Edit: Of course you also need to consider how the game progressed to get there.
Edited by Lazorbeam - 6/3/11 at 7:48am
    
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There will always be imbalances on certain maps, at certain points in matches, and between various unit compositions.

In fact, there is imbalance between marines/lings/zealots. One is fast, one has range, and the other makes a great tank. Between the three, they aren't "balanced", but they each bring something to the table, making them "fair". You could argue that the entire game is balanced like this.

To answer your question;
- Snipe infestors with colossus.
- Make very good use of FF.
- Add zealots WITHOUT charge to deal with lings that get through.
- Phoenix work great to snipe off overlords, and to disable infestors.
- Make sure health/energy bars are always showing so that you can ignore low mana infestors.
- A good trick is to put yourself in a spot where you know the opponent will attempt a 2-front attack. Bait him into it and completely wall off one side, and take out portions at a time.
- HTs are awesome vs this army composition too.

Edit: Of course you also need to consider how the game progressed to get there.
The bolded part is some good advice right there. I never thought to do that. Thanks!
 
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I disagree. Amulet was absolutely insane and granted protoss storms on-the-fly. I would take back amulet in exchange for the archon change any day.

Everyone talks about imbalance and all that jazz, TvZ is impossible, TvP is imbalanced, etc, etc. If the imbalance was so stark, why does terran have the highest win % of any race (masters & GM)? How are pros staying competitive, given their handicap? 3 protoss in top 15 at NASL.

Dare I say, nerf terran? No, because the game is VERY close to balanced right now.
Terran always did the best, even in BW. My theory on that one is just because the style of Terran attracts the most talented players ( and rewards them the most ). Just my opinion. Still over all Terran is the least represented race in the highest leagues.

I know amulet > archon change ect ect, but my point is back then Protoss weren't as good / playing it properly with double forge ect ect. Protoss players now know what they are doing much more than back then. The Archon change is still hella good though. No Amulet but still most people would probably agree that TvP was already P favored late game. Not only that but Sentries build faster, stim is delayed a ton, and bunkers are slow now as well. Things are just different.

I'm sure statistics will side with me soon enough. . It's pretty obvious by watching to notice a pretty big advantage late game.

Anyway it is slightly Terran favored early anyway as yellow said. But less than ever before.
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How do you show the health/energy bars during play? I know how to do it during a replay
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