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Just read the last page and noticed theres a lot of talk about racial balance. I guess I'm just one of the few that thinks the races are all different, but balanced. People keep asking for races to become similar to each other and I think that would just make the game boring. I was a semi-pro (Amateur League only) in WC3, and while WC3 is not this game, it was a popular RTS where many whined about imbalances. When Blizzard stopped patching the game, the game balanced itself when people learned new tricks/strategies/improved their micro. I think people just need to discover new things, and well, minor changes should be done at most. I'm tired of people wanting huge drastic buffs/nerfs, its crazy and throws a lot of things out the window sometimes.
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What free easy scouting :S? Toss has Obs which are hard to even notice unless you're really eyeballing every part of your base. Terran has scans which cost them a mule. Zerg has O-lords. Unless you're letting units run into your base like speedlings or something I don't see what you consider easy and free.
But protoss is forced into a specific tech path in order to obtain said tech. In turn, protoss gameplay is mostly predictable and redundant, every game. There is no single protoss build that counters every zerg/terran build... and we all know that every race should have an failproof safe build.

The fact that I need to sacrifice RESOURCES to scout is absurd. The investment required for scouting as protoss is ridiculous.

Switch protoss for whatever race you play.
    
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You're so biased.
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So me (gold 1v1) and another guy (silver 1v1) just played some 2v2 and placed as gold. But in the process we played some diamond and master league players. I couldn't believe the speed at which some of these players progressed. We got our faces kicked in by a protoss who decided to pylon in my base. Moral of the story... protoss are not underpowered so quit whining about scouting!
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Just read the last page and noticed theres a lot of talk about racial balance. I guess I'm just one of the few that thinks the races are all different, but balanced. People keep asking for races to become similar to each other and I think that would just make the game boring. I was a semi-pro (Amateur League only) in WC3, and while WC3 is not this game, it was a popular RTS where many whined about imbalances. When Blizzard stopped patching the game, the game balanced itself when people learned new tricks/strategies/improved their micro. I think people just need to discover new things, and well, minor changes should be done at most. I'm tired of people wanting huge drastic buffs/nerfs, its crazy and throws a lot of things out the window sometimes.
Agree

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So me (gold 1v1) and another guy (silver 1v1) just played some 2v2 and placed as gold. But in the process we played some diamond and master league players. I couldn't believe the speed at which some of these players progressed. We got our faces kicked in by a protoss who decided to pylon in my base. Moral of the story... protoss are not underpowered so quit whining about scouting!
I believe he was being sarcastic as indicated by his last statement
    
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uhh nothing more boring than balance/OP/UP discussions. I play protoss and I see some of your guys points, but honestly, who friggin cares? I play toss because I find the most reward out of it for me.

I do feel protoss is somewhat predictable with the Collossus because it is so strong. I don't see how toss is the easiest to play though. If it was wouldn't more pros play as them? I mean come on, if you play this game for a living wouldn't you want to make it easier to earn said living? Also, the numbers show toss isn't exactly the easiest to play.

Also, I'm only silver league so tear me apart if ya wish
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uhh nothing more boring than balance/OP/UP discussions. I play protoss and I see some of your guys points, but honestly, who friggin cares? I play toss because I find the most reward out of it for me.

I do feel protoss is somewhat predictable with the Collossus because it is so strong. I don't see how toss is the easiest to play though. If it was wouldn't more pros play as them? I mean come on, if you play this game for a living wouldn't you want to make it easier to earn said living? Also, the numbers show toss isn't exactly the easiest to play.

Also, I'm only silver league so tear me apart if ya wish
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In BSG League, T>P>Z, PDM, P>T>Z, but not rly big, MGM, P>Z>T, GM +, T>Z>P
btw these days, zealot archon is popular
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But protoss is forced into a specific tech path in order to obtain said tech. In turn, protoss gameplay is mostly predictable and redundant, every game. There is no single protoss build that counters every zerg/terran build... and we all know that every race should have an failproof safe build.

The fact that I need to sacrifice RESOURCES to scout is absurd. The investment required for scouting as protoss is ridiculous.

Switch protoss for whatever race you play.
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So me (gold 1v1) and another guy (silver 1v1) just played some 2v2 and placed as gold. But in the process we played some diamond and master league players. I couldn't believe the speed at which some of these players progressed. We got our faces kicked in by a protoss who decided to pylon in my base. Moral of the story... protoss are not underpowered so quit whining about scouting!
toss is underpowered at the highest level. Think top 10 sc2 players, and think of toss other than mc who clearly belongs there.

Alicia, puzzle and inca shows potential, but still not "top."
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btw these days, zealot archon is popular
I rarely go archon actually. Even when I do go templar tech. So i'll have to explore that more.

Side note - whats good for PvP? Although 4WG micro battles are fun i'd love a lean build that either puts me at a econ or tech advantage without going 4 gate
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