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hmm, well, at least ghosts are more resistant to FG(more than 2 to kill them ). Having said that, did the Z actually get some FG's off or did he get emp'd, etc...? Basically, what happened?
like most engagements, bl comes first with ultras and infs behind them. Ghosts moves a bit forward, sniping bls. Bls hit ghosts but the broodlings die quickly to rines behind. As infestor moves forward, emp falls and all bl dies to snipe. Frustrated zerg moves ultras which are sniped and kited and die before even reaching rine/rauder line. Zerg ggs.
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like most engagements, bl comes first with ultras and infs behind them. Ghosts moves a bit forward, sniping bls. Bls hit ghosts but the broodlings die quickly to rines behind. As infestor moves forward, emp falls and all bl dies to snipe. Frustrated zerg moves ultras which are sniped and kited and die before even reaching rine/rauder line. Zerg ggs.
It's more like this : Ghost moves a bit forward and starts sniping BL's, BL's then shoot the ghost killing them some what quickly, not only with their huge damage but the fact that any sieged tanks will kill your own ghosts in the process. Stay unsieged than you say? Oh, no problem, you get 1Aed by the lings and banes while the infestors FG everything ( not enough EMP's for all of them ) and you literally cannot micro, or siege because FG prevents both, and if you aren't sieged 1A ling/bane will kill all.

It's really bogus in Z's favor in most circumstances ( which is why its being talked about being nerfed , you don't hear it the other way around do you? ), however I think that defensive upgraded PF's MAY be the answer and may be the only way to prevent your tanks from killing your ghosts, and still being safe sieged. But an almost any situation where you don't have a defensive PF the advantage is zergs.

As much as you would love to argue it Blizzards balance team as well as people like morrow disagree with you and think its a little too good atm.
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It's more like this : Ghost moves a bit forward and starts sniping BL's, BL's then shoot the ghost killing them some what quickly, not only with their huge damage but the fact that any sieged tanks will kill your own ghosts in the process. Stay unsieged than you say? Oh, no problem, you get 1Aed by the lings and banes while the infestors FG everything ( not enough EMP's for all of them ) and you literally cannot micro, or siege because FG prevents both, and if you aren't sieged 1A ling/bane will kill all.

It's really bogus in Z's favor in most circumstances ( which is why its being talked about being nerfed , you don't hear it the other way around do you? ), however I think that defensive upgraded PF's MAY be the answer and may be the only way to prevent your tanks from killing your ghosts, and still being safe sieged. But an almost any situation where you don't have a defensive PF the advantage is zergs.

As much as you would love to argue it Blizzards balance team as well as people like morrow disagree with you and think its a little too good atm.
I wonder why Kr Terrans dont struggle so much.... Oh yeah MICRO
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I wonder why Kr Terrans dont struggle so much.... Oh yeah MICRO
Korean Terran's don't let them get to BL's , avoiding the brokeness.

Also Korean Z's don't really do infestor heavy play yet, which is why Destiny was slaughtering Koreans.....
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Korean Terran's don't let them get to BL's , avoiding the brokeness.

Also Korean Z's don't really do infestor heavy play yet, which is why Destiny was slaughtering Koreans.....
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In BSG League, T>P>Z, PDM, P>T>Z, but not rly big, MGM, P>Z>T, GM +, T>Z>P
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No what?
U agree? lol
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U agree? lol
No, that's completely bogus. Even when T was actually imba vs Z, Z had a 51% win rate vs Terran in masters accounting for skill ( with crap maps I might add ).

More like : BSG > T = P > Z , PDM P > Z > T, MGM P > T = Z, Pro level T > P = Z.
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No, that's completely bogus. Even when T was actually imba vs Z, Z had a 51% win rate vs Terran in masters accounting for skill ( with crap maps I might add ).

More like : BSG > T = P > Z , PDM P > Z > T, MGM P > T = Z, Pro level T > P = Z.
PDM(low m) zerg's mechanics and decision making are pretty bad... and gm+ includes high gm... so i think we're on a similar page...O_o

And bsg is definitely favoured for t. I observe a lot of those tourneys in sea

and toss hardly has good pros...
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Yeah that's true but Terran's also can't split or multitask, don't get in good positions preemptively, have any idea of timings, and any 1A Zerg who doesn't lose to a build order loss will probably crush them. This is why there are so few Diamond / Master Terrans.
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