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I don't have sc2 on this laptop so I can't watch the replay, but judging by his profile, you were probably versing a higher level player smurfing on that account. But then again, I didn't watch the replay..

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/...2/1/GaryMfOak/

Look at his atrocious match history...

You know, one way to beat bl infestor is to have a good economy/production to support unit exchange and have a good positioning. Just keep pumping a lot of vikings, and when u engage, don't get bloody greedy and move ur vikings away from ur tanks EVER. If ur aren't greedy, vikings won't get hit by FG because of tanks, and vikings will make short work of approaching bl. Terran lategame macro is harder than the other two races, so a lot of players, even the "top NA" ones have problems with it. However, players with patience and macro can convincingly beat such zergs, so it does pay off(terran has the highest skill cap for macro as well). eg. IMMVP, ZenexByun, etc.
I problem is your tanks still still kill each other very fast even if you have vikings attacking BL's since they have so much damn HP. Honestly I think you need a PF ( upgraded ) to sit behind more than anything.
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Lol, I'm so so bad. Makes me look like bronze.

http://drop.sc/24821
There's nothing wrong with bronze players



I also lied about my APM http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft...#/replay_stats

ITS AWESOME.
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I problem is your tanks still still kill each other very fast even if you have vikings attacking BL's since they have so much damn HP. Honestly I think you need a PF ( upgraded ) to sit behind more than anything.
SC2 tanks are smarter than sc1 tanks, they don't kill each other as well, so iff zerg comes forward with the bls, they are trading bls with tanks, and if u have 8+ vikings, the trade's usually in your favour

I usually play in KR region, (the NA account below is a shared one) and the difference between the terrans are astounding. Really, the problem with NA terrans is that their harass and multitasking isn't as good as Kr. They commit to an aggressive opening they've seen from kr , but fail to do any damage, and their macro slip, which leads to zerg having a ridiculous economic advantage.

Another thing about the NA scene, is that they are so oblivious of other regions and strategies. Look at MLG anaheim and how they(including commentators) were all freaking out about the terrans' play. -_-(the mech and helion play was going around for at least 2 months) Infestor ling play is an other good example. Destiny didn't start that build, and it's certainly not "unique" or special. You'll see half the EU zergs doing similar builds in a FAR BETTER fashion. It's quite sad how NA scene considers themselves equal to EU and used to think they were catching up to KR, when the truth is far away.

Personally, I don't do infestor bl in my late game
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I've played quite a few Euro guys, same rating as me and I'm not impressed by them. KR is a different story. I played 3 games on Korea so far ( 3-0 ), but only placements .

Still I think you underestimate BL infestor, just like I feel like the Koreans underestimate Infestor in general. Destiny straight up toying with Koreans and he's not even very good.
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I've played quite a few Euro guys, same rating as me and I'm not impressed by them. KR is a different story. I played 3 games on Korea so far ( 3-0 ), but only placements .

Still I think you underestimate BL infestor, just like I feel like the Koreans underestimate Infestor in general. Destiny straight up toying with Koreans and he's not even very good.
Obviously the amateur level isn't that different, but the higher leagues,(high master and gms) are far better in EU imo. Destiny only verses mid and occasional high level masters in the kr ladder, and the few good koreans he beat are obviously oblivious to his play style. I don't necessarily want to discredit the guy for his wins, but if destiny manages to beat them in actual tournaments, I'll eat my FXO shirt

I think bl infestor play is very strong, but I don't rate it ridiculously highly like a lot of masters do. I believe it can be countered fine, provided that ur not like 2 bases behind the zerg.

Personally, in tvz and tvp, I opt for ling infestor ultra combination in late game instead of bl/infestor. I think the likes of Stephano does this as well.
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I think you are making a mistake. Ultras are meh compared to BL infestor.

And my friend is high masters ( but protoss ) europe, and I watch him stream often... not impressed.

Also didn't Destiny beat Bomber with his style, and Ace? Just saying.
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I think you are making a mistake. Ultras are meh compared to BL infestor.

And my friend is high masters ( but protoss ) europe, and I watch him stream often... not impressed.

Also didn't Destiny beat Bomber with his style, and Ace? Just saying.
Ultras as an unit is far inferior than bls, but they offer more mobility and they aren't as fragile. You can constantly keep up aggression and exchange units. Also, against a player who utilises ghosts well, ultra inf ling is a better choice.

I recommend watching programmers from EU and comparing them to NA. Or simply, just think about the players.

I stand by what I said. I watched the game and bomber definitely got careless after his initial drops succeeded. I'll eat my FXO shirt if destiny beats Bomber in the upcoming MLG Raleigh.
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I think his style is good, in fact I know it it is. I don't know if he will beat Bomber, but he def has the potential to beat better players with that style than I think he should personally.

Also, I think ghosts are even better against Ultras than BL's. I love sniping Ultras, and its not nearly as dangerous for ghosts with Ultras out. BL Infestor is Terrans worst nightmare regardless of ghosts, or even ghosts + viking. At least that's how I feel, but it's not just me, pros feel this way as well as I so often bring up Morrow.

And I do agree that Grand master top 100 Euros are absolutely better than top 100 NA players, but below that I don't think its much different, maybe a little but hardly much. Lately NA has been getting some pretty solid Terrans from SixJax though. Also QXC and Huk pretty beastly right now, obv due to korea.
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I think his style is good, in fact I know it it is. I don't know if he will beat Bomber, but he def has the potential to beat better players with that style than I think he should personally.

Also, I think ghosts are even better against Ultras than BL's. I love sniping Ultras, and its not nearly as dangerous for ghosts with Ultras out. BL Infestor is Terrans worst nightmare regardless of ghosts, or even ghosts + viking. At least that's how I feel, but it's not just me, pros feel this way as well as I so often bring up Morrow.

And I do agree that Grand master top 100 Euros are absolutely better than top 100 NA players, but below that I don't think its much different, maybe a little but hardly much. Lately NA has been getting some pretty solid Terrans from SixJax though. Also QXC and Huk pretty beastly right now, obv due to korea.
Doom, what can I improve in this?
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Doom, what can I improve in this?
I've only watched the first 10 min so far:


You sent you SCV to build a wall off depot too late. Send him at 9 supply with 10th SCV building if you wall.

You delayed your orbital to block, maybe this is to prevent bronze cheese but you want your orbital asap on 15.

You had you 1st depot scv rally back to your minerals, you should scout with him. If you do not scout with him, have him build the barracks, you sent another scv to build the barracks all the way from your minerals, even though that one was right next to where the barracks needed to be.

Tanks kinda suck vs Toss, besides some specific timings, just be warned.

I dont like your factory and 2nd racks placements at all. If you play against Protoss you don't want too much near the edges or at your wall because then range 6 voidrays can pick them off uncontested since rines are only range 5.

You should make your in base CC an orbital faster, generally before you even move it to your expo.

Your rally was off on your nat CC, it went to your main. Also when you land it you want to transfer about half or 40% of your scvs to your nat to be more efficient.

Not constant enough with SCV's, and you queued up too many a few times.

Not enough unit producing structures.

Money high.

Medivacs but no harass.

Shift qued multiple turrets with one SCV.

WAY WAY too many supply call downs.
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