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Yeah, I've also been doing a 2rax expo rax fact -> tank play recently with lots of mauraders vP.
Let me explain step by step

TvT : Herrion tank.
Mech play that's standard these days. From my understanding, a lot of AM players are still pretty bad with this, so getting the hang of this will help u a lot in this matchup. It's not that hard as bio too, imho. Either start with FE, Banshee or BF helions and build 2 more factories later with adding vikings and ravens. U should learn a bit more about this from other players or/and vods.

TvZ : Herrion tank rine, start with reactor helion expand.
U start with 12rax, gas factory, and reactor on rax. Switch it with the factory when it finishes. Pump helions, and build CC after the 2 helions. should be before 5min. Research blue flames and going for drop after bf can hurt the zerg real bad. Pump rines, tanks and helions, obviously Practise running the rines away from banelings, focusing tank fire on banelings. Build turrets at bit after 10 min or when u scan the spire. Against infestor ling play, get faster third, and mix more herrions

TvP : 1/1/1 with the banshee focus variation, without cloak.
rax, gas, factory, reactor, gas, starport with factory techlab switch. Keep pumping banshees, rines and tank. Upgrade seige mode at like 8 min+ and push out at 9-10min with 10+ of ur scvs.

Stick with this, work on ur mechanics, ur masters in no time
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Anyone who thinks day9 is a bad caster has not spent much time listening to tournaments cast by Husky, HD, Catspajamas, Painuser, Gretorp, Incontrol, Chill, MrBitter, or any of the even worse casters that somehow still get to talk on top of good games. These guys spend half of each game wasting time with small talk, they don't have any understanding of game flow or strategy, they give bad players way too much credit, and if day9 could conceivably cast every tournament that these morons get involved in, I wouldn't mind one bit.
LOL I was measuring him from my expectations/standards All of above are pretty bad as well, but that just further proves my point of american casters needing to step up.
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LOL I was measuring him from my expectations/standards biggrin.gif All of above are pretty bad as well, but that just further proves my point of american casters needing to step up. wink.gif
Can't argue with that. I've liked just about every European caster I've heard: Rotterdam, Apollo, Take, TotalBiscuit on occasion. They spend less time trying to make themselves look smart and more time talking about the games, what people are doing, and sometimes they even go as far as to suggest bad players are bad.
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Let me explain step by step

TvT : Herrion tank.
Mech play that's standard these days. From my understanding, a lot of AM players are still pretty bad with this, so getting the hang of this will help u a lot in this matchup. It's not that hard as bio too, imho. Either start with FE, Banshee or BF helions and build 2 more factories later with adding vikings and ravens. U should learn a bit more about this from other players or/and vods.

TvZ : Herrion tank rine, start with reactor helion expand.
U start with 12rax, gas factory, and reactor on rax. Switch it with the factory when it finishes. Pump helions, and build CC after the 2 helions. should be before 5min. Research blue flames and going for drop after bf can hurt the zerg real bad. Pump rines, tanks and helions, obviously Practise running the rines away from banelings, focusing tank fire on banelings. Build turrets at bit after 10 min or when u scan the spire. Against infestor ling play, get faster third, and mix more herrions

TvP : 1/1/1 with the banshee focus variation, without cloak.
rax, gas, factory, reactor, gas, starport with factory techlab switch. Keep pumping banshees, rines and tank. Upgrade seige mode at like 8 min+ and push out at 9-10min with 10+ of ur scvs.

Stick with this, work on ur mechanics, ur masters in no time
Any advice for a noob protoss

*Edit: not including 4gate, and switching races lol
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LOL I was measuring him from my expectations/standards All of above are pretty bad as well, but that just further proves my point of american casters needing to step up.
Have you watched some of the code A casters, Its terrible. yesterday they were talking about mentos and Diet coke, and not to eat them at the same time because its explosive( which is wrong unless you down a gallon of diet coke then swallow the mentos whole in which case you deserve the gastric distress), I mean really. In the hour or two i watched i heard about 20minutes of actual play by play...... Where a caster is from doesn't make a huge difference, you talk about oh the don't know X style of play. It becomes less and less about them having to know every single build and can textbook out everything that would get boring. If you know what is coming how can you get excited. I think most caster are way better in pairs, lone cast can be pretty stale.
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Have you watched some of the code A casters, Its terrible. yesterday they were talking about mentos and Diet coke, and not to eat them at the same time because its explosive( which is wrong unless you down a gallon of diet coke then swallow the mentos whole in which case you deserve the gastric distress), I mean really. In the hour or two i watched i heard about 20minutes of actual play by play...... Where a caster is from doesn't make a huge difference, you talk about oh the don't know X style of play. It becomes less and less about them having to know every single build and can textbook out everything that would get boring. If you know what is coming how can you get excited. I think most caster are way better in pairs, lone cast can be pretty stale.
Majority of the casters are bad is pretty much what I said O_O. And most of them just happens to be american.
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Any advice for a noob protoss

*Edit: not including 4gate, and switching races lol
3-3 Void Rays asap.

Forge FEs work really well too. I know it says vZ only but it works really well all-around. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft...sion_(vs._Zerg)
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Any advice for a noob protoss

*Edit: not including 4gate, and switching races lol
U should learn 4 gate lol.
For toss, it's kinda hard atm, and unlike terran, u do need to think about more than just one build per race

Some basics first In maps like Taldarim Altar, u need to go 4gate. I know defensive 4 gates tends to be better, but I personally prefer being aggressive. Use the close mineral patch trick to increase income. Save chrono boost, which will give u 90+ energy when the core finishes. Do these and ur warp time will be considerably quicker. Also, just shove the pylons in If u put 2 pylons, 1 or 2 stalker can't get kill it, so u'll still warp in units.

Defensive 4 gates is where u get 22 probes and build a quicker pylon. Delay or opponents with sentries, and make sure that they don't build a pylon nearby.

Against zerg, the basic concept is high templars against infestor builds, robo builds against Roach hydra. For a build, my personal go-to build is:
Forge FE, nexus at 18, one cannon, 2 gas at 20, core, cb on warp gate 3 times, attack upgrade, add 5 gates, 2 gas, warp 6 zealots, and push with +1 zealots, add twilight council, blink, robo for observer.
Timings are at around 7 min, 5 gateways should finish, 9min twilight, and take a third before 13min.

My knowledge in tvp is not that good, but against 1/1/1(usually when u see a gas and only one rax), most widespread counter is, 1gate expo, 5gate robo, pump a lotta units, and when u engage, spread out ur forces and MAKE SURE ur immortals focus down tanks. Example of this is XNC where u have two entrances to ur natural. Flank ur immortals and hit the tanks from behind, and make sure ur not left with useless zealots and immortals when there are 3 banshees left.
6 gate pressures are good way to punish an idiotic terran with less than 3 bunkers

Feel free to ask me more questions
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3-3 Void Rays asap.

Forge FEs work really well too. I know it says vZ only but it works really well all-around. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft...sion_(vs._Zerg)
Forge FE leaves you open to fast blink stalkers with hallucinate/obs/dropship or robo
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Forge FE leaves you open to fast blink stalkers with hallucinate/obs/dropship or robo
This. Sorry, I actually don't play toss but my friend does this for almost every game. Worth a try though.
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