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Just played probably my best TvsZ with drops and all:
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I think I'll start doing battlereports with some of my replays. Some helps those who don't wanna watch the actual replay due to how fast you can scan them smile.gif

Battlereport:
The game starts with the usual exchanges. My Z opponent decides to go for a 15 pool followed by a fast bane nest considering the map is Shakuras Plateau. He was likely worried about heavy marine pressure and thought that with a couple of banes, he'll at least be able to punish me if I try it.
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I forgo pressure and decide to exp as fast as possible blocking my entrance with 3 rax incase of any bane busts.
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My opponent scouting the 3 rax decides to exp as well and places slings+banes outside my base to determine when I move out. Since my exp was earlier than his, I have a slight eco lead shown by the supply difference.
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Once my exp is set up and with the extra income, I start powering hardcore adding 2 more rax with a tech lab/reactor and 2 starports both with reactors.
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In the meantime, my opponent is still making drones and taking his third base. His spire seems a bit late but it gave me the chance to reinforce my defenses with turrets incase of muta harass.
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I decide that it's dropping time so I start loading medivacs with marines and try to double drop his 3rd as well as his main around the same time.
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Dropping both at the same time, he's taken by surprise but manages to move his drones out of harm's way in his main ignoring his 3rd. I decide to take out some structures that will pose a problem later i.e. infestor pit and pool.
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He tries to get a surround with some slings+drones+queen but microing back causes him to flee until roaches join his ranks at which point I decide to lift off but my other drop has accomplished its purpose biggrin.gif
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Less than 50 seconds later, I redrop, this time in his exp and main. He's quick to react losing only a couple of drones in the process. I decide to redrop his 3rd to clean up his extractors and meet some nice roaches who came to play tongue.gif
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At this point, I think I've done enough damage, so, I decide to move out. My rax+scans help me scout what's ahead and I decide to siege sieging past the 2 towers and start leap frogging tanks as fast as possible to prevent him from reinforcing his existing army.
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He scouts the push and starts preparing by splitting up his roaches a bit to get a surround.
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We engage with me stimming forward and then back into the tank link and stutter stepping during the rest of the fight. My forces clean his up convincingly as can be seen:
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Moving into his exp, I'm meet with a very small army of slings+banes yet still lost a couple of marines.
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I sieze the opportunity this opportunity of lack of defense units and attack his exp with only marines then I take out some drones and his rebuilt third exp.
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Scouting his banes+BLs, I start moving back to his main to engage the rest of his army before the BLs are morphed. With a couple of stims and positioning, I'm able to deal with the banes and snipe his BLs before he's able to get a critical mass and with that, it's GG.
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Lovely BM at the end tongue.gif
Edit: Maybe next time I'll cut down on the screenies tongue.gif
Edited by BigFan - 8/11/11 at 1:14pm
    
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Aaaand that's why I dislike playing against T
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Did you tell him about your sexual orientation in the beginning of the game?
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His TvP is top-tier IMO. His other match-ups need a little work, but that TvP is so good.

Edit: He does use Ghosts like a boss in TvZ though now that I think about it.

I don't think so. His control speed is slow. Things happening in other parts of the map sometimes seem oblivious to him. Without those fundamentals he just can't be top tier in any matchup.
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I think i'm going to switch to T, all you need to do to get Masters is Marines + tanks + medivacs
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Aaaand that's why I dislike playing against T
how so? I harassed the daylight out of him throughout the match(once I got medivacs) then I engaged his army and had the best composition IMO. Roaches+mutas have horrible dps(aside from the splash of mutas), that and I was 1/1 and was making more units as I was harassing. Looking at the replay, he wasn't making anything and was sitting back waiting on greater spire. Should've made slings or something to increase dps and conserve his gas for BLs smile.gif
I dunno what race you play, but, TvsZ can be hard as hell if your Z opponent actually harasses you, gets upgrades and techs up while macroing. It's downright scary tongue.gif
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I think i'm going to switch to T, all you need to do to get Masters is Marines + tanks + medivacs
rofl, let's see you try that and see how well it works. I've had games where I've been crushed by my Z/P opponent and I've had games like the above where I crushed my opponents. Had that guy went mass mutas and harassed my base or double exp'd early on when I exp'd myself, this would've caused me a lot of issues. His OL spread needed work and he should've had more units than just slings when I dropped his base.
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Did you tell him about your sexual orientation in the beginning of the game?
u serious? laugher.gif
    
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^ ^ i would of punished your base smile.gif good job!

THe zerg really needed infestors due to your mass marines you clumped them up as well could of been gg!
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I think i'm going to switch to T, all you need to do to get Masters is Marines + tanks + medivacs

True but if you can split them and avoid infestor and p balls you are set!
    
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Terran has so much OP BS its ridiculous. You can't base race them (they'll lift off and use the OP mules to rebuild, whereas if you don't save probes and have enough for a nexus you're out)

So Marines are tech 1 unit that have range, tanks do ridiculous amounts of damage to ground, mass marines can take out 3x air unit costs with stim

Siege tanks are ridiculous at the amount of damage they do

Medivacs can transport and HEAL

Thors are impossible to kill in large numbers (only had success with 2x the number of HT and feedback then storms, and thats if they have energy)
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lol Terran requires a lot more than just A move at higher levels. I duno bout you but I play High diamond low end masters and my buddies who are about mid masters destroy me using Toss or Zerg. I think I only with 25% of the games against them.
    
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When I play vs Terran I got into crazy macro mode to stop on top of them, 3 or 4 base zerg keep them to 2 base u got EM BRO!
    
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