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Its not that terran is OP, some people just haven't perfected there Z/P play. Terran is the easiest to learn because everyone learns it first.
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Nice to see some discussion but Terran is NOT OP. So much misinformation here though, it's just sad T_T

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^ ^ i would of punished your base good job!

THe zerg really needed infestors due to your mass marines you clumped them up as well could of been gg!
You're right, he should've harassed a lot more, not sure why he didn't go for more mutas since I had no thors out and he could've picked off my tanks leading to a roach+muta against marine battle. That and some banes would've been scary
As for infestors, the thing is, I took out his infestation pit in the first drop as he was researching the energy upgrade then his pool, so, he had to rebuild it and since I kept dropping, he was putting his gas into roaches to try and defend since marines are hard to take care of with just slings unless you get a surround

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lol Terran requires a lot more than just A move at higher levels. I duno bout you but I play High diamond low end masters and my buddies who are about mid masters destroy me using Toss or Zerg. I think I only with 25% of the games against them.
Yep, TvsZ is brutal on both sides. With drops, you can kinda even things out but with spawn larvae, it's kinda ridiculous at how fast Z can pump out units Having said that, I think the game is pretty balanced. Had my opponent went for more slings+banes and rebuilt his pit and FG'd some of my marines, I would've lost that game for sure considering I didn't do too good of a job splitting my marines but again, I knew he had no infestors because I took the pit out

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When I play vs Terran I got into crazy macro mode to stop on top of them, 3 or 4 base zerg keep them to 2 base u got EM BRO!
hehe, try that with close positions on ST Having said that, you're right. 3-4 base Zerg stomps Terran easily, not to mention being able to expand endlessely on the map and then you can slowly chip away at the Terran army as they make their way across the map from one exp to another

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Its not that terran is OP, some people just haven't perfected there Z/P play. Terran is the easiest to learn because everyone learns it first.
Actually, consensus is that Protoss is the easiest to learn but Terran isn't too bad IMO.

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Terran has so much OP BS its ridiculous. You can't base race them (they'll lift off and use the OP mules to rebuild, whereas if you don't save probes and have enough for a nexus you're out)

So Marines are tech 1 unit that have range, tanks do ridiculous amounts of damage to ground, mass marines can take out 3x air unit costs with stim

Siege tanks are ridiculous at the amount of damage they do

Medivacs can transport and HEAL

Thors are impossible to kill in large numbers (only had success with 2x the number of HT and feedback then storms, and thats if they have energy)
- I'll give you the liftoff but you can still base race and win.
- Marines still only have 45 hp(no research) and still lose to slings/zealots, etc.... with no micro. With micro, they become much more efficient but so do slings/zealots/stalkers, etc...
- Mutas aren't supposed to engage marine blobs like the one I had, their main task is to keep me contained in my base and make me go turret crazy to defend. Take it from someone who used to harass the hell out of his opponent with mutas once I got them out. I almost always got at least several worker kills and picked off tech labs and such since most players don't have good turret placements.
- Siege tanks are easily countered by mass chargelots/immortals. Infact, immortals eat tanks so badly it isn't even funny which is why you'll need ghosts for emp if you take that route but then they need hts for feedback and the cycles go on.
- Medivacs can transport and heal, so what? Imagine having medics like in BW. Believe me, there is no comparison. Having a medic for every unit makes that unit much harder to take down especially with stutter step and with no lurkers for Zerg. The only thing this does is make sure that you don't need to bring along a medic or two to heal.
- You shouldn't have your opponent mass thors and if he does, chargelots/immortals/VRs for Protoss is more than enough. As for Zerg, you can just swarm them with slings/roaches. The thors will attack the slings giving time for your roaches to clean them up. If he masses thors, then that should also give you plenty of time to get ultras/BLs
    
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I think i'm going to switch to T, all you need to do to get Masters is Marines + tanks + medivacs
Good luck. Protoss switching to Terran is going to be a great reality check on which race is actually easy .

Losing to mech in PvT? LOL.
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Good luck. Protoss switching to Terran is going to be a great reality check on which race is actually easy .

Losing to mech in PvT? LOL.
Now now take it easy, but, I agree. Switching to Terran won't help him move up. Chargelots+immortals just wipe mech easy, he could even go mass immortals if he wants without zealots and those do just fine(not greatest against hellions but meh)

Guys, check out my blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/blog...=BigFan&page=3

Hooray, another TvsZ win on Plateau:

Never realized how many Zerg players have issues with drops -_-;
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Terran has so much OP BS its ridiculous. You can't base race them (they'll lift off and use the OP mules to rebuild
I watched a Korean ZvT yesterday where the Zerg won the base trade battle...

You can't scan or drop mules if you're lifting your orbital commands. The Korean zerg player I watched took advantage of the no scans and layed baneling mine traps at his main so that the Terran would be forced to walk on top of the banelings and get blown up and all his tanks were sniped by the remaining mutas and lings.

Muta/ling/baneling is good stuff.
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Good luck. Protoss switching to Terran is going to be a great reality check on which race is actually easy .

Losing to mech in PvT? LOL.
If ur micro's good, u can cheese ur way into gm/m easy. Terran has the best cheeses And I've done this too, in my friends(kr) account during mid of season 2, i went 50-3 from gold to masters with combination of 6-7rax, 3 rax, proxy 5 rax and etc.
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I watched a Korean ZvT yesterday where the Zerg won the base trade battle...

You can't scan or drop mules if you're lifting your orbital commands. The Korean zerg player I watched took advantage of the no scans and layed baneling mine traps at his main so that the Terran would be forced to walk on top of the banelings and get blown up and all his tanks were sniped by the remaining mutas and lings.

Muta/ling/baneling is good stuff.
Usually someone who attacks the opponent's base first has a huge advantage, regardless of race. There's a difference between base race and counter.
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Other than Terran having the best unit in the game: maraouuuudderrss, they're just as powerful or underpowered as the next race. The game is all about timing and economy. The OP talks are just BS.
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Other than Terran having the best unit in the game: maraouuuudderrss, they're just as powerful or underpowered as the next race. The game is all about timing and economy. The OP talks are just BS.
Shesh wut u talking about O_O, Koreans are the op race
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Usually someone who attacks the opponent's base first has a huge advantage, regardless of race. There's a difference between base race and counter.
Hmm I don't think that's true. I think outside of a few very rare cases that won't happen. My way higher mmr zerg buddy does all that with Terran and is only low masters. But I guess in general cheese is good, look at combatex.. grand master and he is terrible.
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