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Originally Posted by falco216 View Post
Marine tank medivac will destroy mass roaches.

srsly you guys
Yep, easy picking especially if you stim and move the roaches into your tank line

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Originally Posted by DoomDash View Post
I never use rauders vs Zerg unless its late game vs ultra.
hmm, aren't ultras the best against armored(i.e. marauders+tanks)? I know marines aren't the best option but against ultras, what is Terran's best unit? Thor? Air?

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Why? (noobs do) (which means I'm more of a noob cuz I can't counter them ) Still, why?
Roaches have horrible dps but can take a lot of hits before they are taken out. That and they also have armor and can burrow/move under healing in the process. Given, MMT is the usual against Zerg, so, those roaches will be pulverized before they get to the tanks and their low dps doesn't help

Either way, most Zergs aim for sling/bling/muta. Pretty mobile, so, good for harass. Slings+blings are great against marine forces due to how cost-efficient banes can be against groups of marines. If you've ever lost a lot of marines to a bane or two, trust me, you'll know what I mean XD

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How many roaches V how many marines? how many barracks did you have, how many base was the zerg on?
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How many roaches V how many marines? how many barracks did you have, how many base was the zerg on?
Don't remember exactly, but it was pretty early in game. Let's say I had.. what.. 20 marines, 2 medivacs. 1x weapons upgrade, 1x 10HP, 1x stimpack. Not sure how many roaches, it was a StarshipTroopers scene actually

I was attacking his exp, cause a scan showed poor defense. Got there pretty fast, but the roaches came out of nowhere. By the time I knew what hit me, I was already typing "gg".

Had 3 rax, zerg was *i believe* still on 1 base 1 exp.
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Don't remember exactly, but it was pretty early in game. Let's say I had.. what.. 20 marines, 2 medivacs. 1x weapons upgrade, 1x 10HP, 1x stimpack. Not sure how many roaches, it was a StarshipTroopers scene actually

I was attacking his exp, cause a scan showed poor defense. Got there pretty fast, but the roaches came out of nowhere. By the time I knew what hit me, I was already typing "gg".

Had 3 rax, zerg was *i believe* still on 1 base 1 exp.
Here's something that helps: If you ever find yourself in a situation where you are overwhelmed, do a quick pickup as in quickly pick up all your marines into the medivacs and fly back to the base. Better to lose a marine or two and retreat then lose all your force. Of course, only do this if you are 100% positive that the engagement is lost with not much damage to him and more to you

TvsZ from couple of days back:

Ultras and BLs were used, lucky for me he didn't have a ton of corruptors or forgot about them XD Hellion runbys are pretty awesome

TvsZ just played now:

Lucky there were no ultras/BLs and FG wasn't used much with the infestors he had. Ending is a little surprising and kinda funny/sad in its own way
    
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Had 3 rax, zerg was *i believe* still on 1 base 1 exp.
I realy think you would benefit from really anylizing your replays, its easy to see something like oh noes he has lots of roaches amg all my stuff just died and say to yourself I lost that game to mass roach.

However that isnt the case you lost that game when for 2 mins you supply blocked yourself at 28 supply or you stopped building marines for X mins or you didnt scout that 3rd he sneaked in so he was actually much better off than you expected. In most cases the reason we loose games is a culmination of lots of little mistakes the trick is spotting them in your replays, I for example know i loose allot as zerg as after 3+bases my lavea injects become realy realy bad and that my creep spread is bad/non existant.

at lower levels those mistakes are more likely to be larger and as such easier to spot, If you want I can really take appart one of your replays and be incredibly critical and give you time stamps etc of what to look for.

I'm no pro i play random but it helps to have someone else look over such things.
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Don't remember exactly, but it was pretty early in game. Let's say I had.. what.. 20 marines, 2 medivacs. 1x weapons upgrade, 1x 10HP, 1x stimpack. Not sure how many roaches, it was a StarshipTroopers scene actually

I was attacking his exp, cause a scan showed poor defense. Got there pretty fast, but the roaches came out of nowhere. By the time I knew what hit me, I was already typing "gg".

Had 3 rax, zerg was *i believe* still on 1 base 1 exp.
The rax with the tech lab pump marauders. In the same situation i bet you would have come out on top. even if hes going banelings you can use those marauders to absorb so many banes leaving your marines to take out mutas and lings.
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WOW. Byun against Terius, Byun took it but it was such a lopsided game I mean 2 rax bunker rush then he tried to exp and did, but, so did Terius again. Terius went for fast infestors, held a MMT push with some spines and slings and then brought out ultras. He nydused into Byun's base and took out lots of SCVs(FG'd), etc.... when Byun's army was attacking. He eventually nydused into the 2 islands and droned hardcore while Byun lost his mining base to BLs, so, you have slings+infestors+ultras+BLs against MMMT yet he lost the BLs, ultras and infestors. Then he got his nydus worm sniped, so, his 2 infestors and 30+ slings were stuck on the island. He gg'd right after his main was able to go down XD
    
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Hellions get owned by roaches (they're only good vs light unarmored units ie lings)
Yup. Thats why I think scouting versus zerg is more important then ever. If they 6 Pool... roaches... make marauders. Mauraders are still all around good units w/ conc shell. Marines too but they can be very flimsy for they are cheap I laugh at players who 6 pool and force a MMMT contain and KEEL EVERYTHING
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hmm, aren't ultras the best against armored(i.e. marauders+tanks)? I know marines aren't the best option but against ultras, what is Terran's best unit? Thor? Air?

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Rauders with micro. Thors get shredded by Ultra.
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Rauders with micro. Thors get shredded by Ultra.
Fair enough. I have seen some Ts mix in marauders against ultras as well
    
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