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I'm glad there aren't any superweapons and such. We have enough of these games already. SC is about competition and balance and that means keeping things mostly simple. That's what I love about it
Yeah, running back and forth with a unit, so it can shoot but can't get shot at - definitely nice and simple. And realistic too That's what I meant a few posts back when I said cheap tricks instead of strategy.
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Yeah, running back and forth with a unit, so it can shoot but can't get shot at - definitely nice and simple. And realistic too That's what I meant a few posts back when I said cheap tricks instead of strategy.
I'm pretty sure realism is not something you'd expect from a game called Starcraft

And also, micro and strategy are different things. Knowing how to dance around with marauders won't win you the game most of the time, strategy will. And it certainly doesn't make you invincible . We've moved past the stage where games are won purely by cheese/cheap tricks (early GSLs anyone?). Now it's mostly longer games where decision making and strategy decides who will win.
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I'm pretty sure realism is not something you'd expect from a game called Starcraft

And also, micro and strategy are different things. Knowing how to dance around with marauders won't win you the game most of the time, strategy will. And it certainly doesn't make you invincible . We've moved past the stage where games are won purely by cheese/cheap tricks (early GSLs anyone?). Now it's mostly longer games where decision making and strategy decides who will win.
HOW do you move past that point? Cause everyone I play against kills me, just because he clicks faster. Sorry but that's not what I expect from an RTS. And I'm not some retard who takes ages to realize what's happening either. So, how to move to where the strategy matters?
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Is anyone else getting sorta bored of SC?

It seems I'm forever bronze so I'm not playing for a purpose. I feel like if I got another account I could get maybe into gold and actually have fun with the game.
nope, never. TvsZ is still as unique as it gets. The system will eventually promote you when it knows you are ready(50/50 against Silver, etc....) so give it time.

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Heh, the more you win the more you have fun. and the only way to win is to play more and get better!
hehe, indeed!

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Originally Posted by rurushu View Post
I'm glad there aren't any superweapons and such. We have enough of these games already. SC is about competition and balance and that means keeping things mostly simple. That's what I love about it
I agree, game is fine as is. Can't wait to see what HoTS brings

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think there is a vid of automaton 2000 killing an ultra with a single perfectly microed marine and a medivac kind of amazing, waiting on someone to do that in a real game you know cos that actually seems possible as opposed to the 100slings vs 20 siege tank thing or the perfect marine splits vs banes
XD GL with that, doubt you'll see anyone do that anytime soon

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Tanks actually counter ultras too (leaving only a few sieged).
hmm, I don't fully disagree, but, if you don't have enough MMM to support, it might as well be GG. Ultras eat through tanks without support(obviously)

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Originally Posted by ronnin426850 View Post
Yeah, running back and forth with a unit, so it can shoot but can't get shot at - definitely nice and simple. And realistic too That's what I meant a few posts back when I said cheap tricks instead of strategy.
Even with stuttersteping, the marines still get hit, but, the idea is to minimize it. It's not a cheap trick, you are just increasing their efficiency and using micro to do it

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I'm pretty sure realism is not something you'd expect from a game called Starcraft

And also, micro and strategy are different things. Knowing how to dance around with marauders won't win you the game most of the time, strategy will. And it certainly doesn't make you invincible . We've moved past the stage where games are won purely by cheese/cheap tricks (early GSLs anyone?). Now it's mostly longer games where decision making and strategy decides who will win.
Agree, micro/macro and balance is what defines SCII imo
    
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Heh, the more you win the more you have fun. and the only way to win is to play more and get better!
I'll take the moment to strongly disagree I play, and I lose. And I play some more, and I keep losing, despite the fact that I watch pro replays, follow pro advices and try not to repeat my mistakes. Then I play again, and I lose again, and in that whole cycle the only thing that happens is this:
I demonically desire to find the moron who came up first with the idiotic idea of "micro", tear his friggin head off and his guts inside out and burn his fingers with a blowtorch.

Then I calm down and I get back to losing again.
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What race do you play? If random, I would suggest choosing a single race. If not random, maybe try a different race? They are all slightly different and you need to find the one that suits you.

My advice is for each matchup, to choose a build order. Liquipedia is great for that. Then maybe practice against a computer till you get the hang of it. Focus on the early pressure builds and get the hang of the micro necessary for those. This is assuming you have good mechanics.

Also, watch the Day9 Dailies, they are amazing and extremely helpful. Newbie Tuesdays are great for me. I always learn stuff. If you have friends... (lol) tell them to get the game and play with you. It always helps to get motivation through others IRL not just on the internetz.
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You don't need any micro below master league imo apart from some really basic stuff like pulling injured units back and focus firing in small engagements. You can also play zerg and you'll never have to micro at all.
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You can also play zerg and you'll never have to micro at all.
Technically right clicking on stuff is microing I guess.
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I'll take the moment to strongly disagree I play, and I lose. And I play some more, and I keep losing, despite the fact that I watch pro replays, follow pro advices and try not to repeat my mistakes. Then I play again, and I lose again, and in that whole cycle the only thing that happens is this:
I demonically desire to find the moron who came up first with the idiotic idea of "micro", tear his friggin head off and his guts inside out and burn his fingers with a blowtorch.

Then I calm down and I get back to losing again.
Calm down!
Seriously though, it's only with constant practice that you'll get better. Post up a replay or two, kinda curious to see why you're losing that much

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Technically right clicking on stuff is microing I guess.
    
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Hey all, i havent been able to play much lately, i had a house fire and the flames took the life of my computer. I have this laptop though, im downloading SC2 now cause its the only thing i play. Its got an HD3200 an Athlon tf-20 1.6ghz cpu. and 3 gigs of ram. do you think ill be able to play? idc about graphics
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