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I wouldn't know if anyone is as good as anyone, but big names will still tell him to screw off.
I disagree any "big names" other than koreans would tell him to screw off. He is easily in contention for top 3 "foreign" zergs. He most recently took first place in EU b.net invitational, knocking out Nani and Thorzain, arguably the best European players of their respectable races.
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i know it sounds odd, but it's mainly because of his idra's sportsmanship that is discouraging, even when he wins sometimes it feels like he is going for a vengeance thing..odd, but ill check out MStephano and Ret, thanks!

If u don't like him, just watch any games of him verses a korean. I believe he's in a 12 loss streak against them since he left korea. Well, since he's going back to Korea to practise with Puma, Huk and maybe incontrol, he'll probably get better tho.

Stephano and Ret gets around 2k viewers and i believe their stream is featured in TL. Although Coca used to stream a lot, I don't see him these days. It could be something to do with sc2con being a dick and preventing players from streaming ;(. Shame, considering Coca is considered as a top class zerg and his monstrous PvZ.
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If u don't like him, just watch any games of him verses a korean. I believe he's in a 12 loss streak against them since he left korea. Well, since he's going back to Korea to practise with Puma, Huk and maybe incontrol, he'll probably get better tho.

Stephano and Ret gets around 2k viewers and i believe their stream is featured in TL. Although Coca used to stream a lot, I don't see him these days. It could be something to do with sc2con being a dick and preventing players from streaming ;(. Shame, considering Coca is considered as a top class zerg and his monstrous PvZ.
Watching some BW games from some Korean on TL, it's kinda amazing how much the game shifts. No control groups makes the game harder yet the guy I was watching was in perfect control of his game. He even offraced as P instead of Zerg but lost to a strong T push with tanks+vultures+tons of spider mines. Either way, these guys put SCII gamers to shame He was maintaining 250 throughout the game but was at 400 at some points, crazy high imo
    
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Watching some BW games from some Korean on TL, it's kinda amazing how much the game shifts. No control groups makes the game harder yet the guy I was watching was in perfect control of his game. He even offraced as P instead of Zerg but lost to a strong T push with tanks+vultures+tons of spider mines. Either way, these guys put SCII gamers to shame He was maintaining 250 throughout the game but was at 400 at some points, crazy high imo
Hahaha u have NO IDEA. Selecting maximum of 12 unit at a time, no worker rally, so had to physically click on the mineral patch for every worker, more difficult hotkeys that spanned over ALL of keyboard instead of the left side, no smart casting and firing for spell casters and ranged units making them much harder to macro and more unforgiving, and so many others.

Still, bw as a competitive game is FAR better than sc2 atm. Games are more fun to watch, including mirrors, and the game's more balanced than Miranda Kerr.

SC2 still has long way to go with 2 more expansion packs. The chances are, the foreign scene will die out by the time the game's balanced out and it'll be BW all over again, with koreans dominating every corner of competitive scene
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Why are koreans so badass?
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Why are koreans so badass?
Something about Starcraft being the only (or one of few) game with good multiplayer support when Korea's "internet boom" happened and internet cafes started opening up and stuff. That's what I heard, anyway.
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Still, bw as a competitive game is FAR better than sc2 atm. Games are more fun to watch, including mirrors, and the game's more balanced than Miranda Kerr.

SC2 still has long way to go with 2 more expansion packs. The chances are, the foreign scene will die out by the time the game's balanced out and it'll be BW all over again, with koreans dominating every corner of competitive scene
I disagree. Just because you have to click on way more things because you can't have the game do them for you does not make the game a better game for comp. Besides... BW has been out a crap ton longer so there are like 100x the strategies that there are in SCII
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I disagree. Just because you have to click on way more things because you can't have the game do them for you does not make the game a better game for comp. Besides... BW has been out a crap ton longer so there are like 100x the strategies that there are in SCII
No, but it makes the skill cap higher, and that wasn't the reason why I said bw was a better competitive game. U said it urself, bw is more balanced and has more strats, and that's why bw is still a better competitive game.
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No, but it makes the skill cap higher, and that wasn't the reason why I said bw was a better competitive game. U said it urself, bw is more balanced and has more strats, and that's why bw is still a better competitive game.
The "competitiveness" shouldn't be defined by the skill to "click fast", but by the skill to build good strategies, to use the map, take tactical advantage, realise your and your opponent's strengths and weaknesses, ballance economy, production and spying.
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No, but it makes the skill cap higher, and that wasn't the reason why I said bw was a better competitive game. U said it urself, bw is more balanced and has more strats, and that's why bw is still a better competitive game.
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The "competitiveness" shouldn't be defined by the skill to "click fast", but by the skill to build good strategies, to use the map, take tactical advantage, realise your and your opponent's strengths and weaknesses, ballance economy, production and spying.
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