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They're all insanely good. According to stats HuK with 5 won tournaments and 75% ladder w/l ratio is one of the best. And Tester is said to be in a different league on it's own.



Yeah, terrans absolutely dominate GSL so far. If you look at the bracket all zergs, except Idra, that have been matched against terrans got eliminated. Tester and HongUnPrime are still in the game for protoss. I believe Idra has a good chance of wining, until he gets matched against some korean terran as Maka and ragequits seeing early reapers.
This. Tester won his games with brilliant micro and they were close, possibly the best micro I've ever seen with protoss in Starcraft 2 so far.

That banshee/point defense drone build seems impossible to stop. It forces the protoss to go robo, and if he doesn't it's GG either way, and there is no way to have ht's and and robo out in time. Especially since the terran also expanded. Just look at those videos, there is no way a terran should be able to roll like that. There is almost nothing you can do to stop that, even if the protoss somehow had observers and hts there will unlikely be enough hts to feedback all in time. Not to mention that the observer can be sniped with the raven being there; cloak = gg.
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Sentries to target PDD. Again he wasn't even remotely expecting it. I kinda question it too because if you see a starport you should at least build some more AA, esp if you see a tech lab.
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It kinda sucks that they stole dark swarm from zerg and gave it to terran.
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Sentries to target PDD. Again he wasn't even remotely expecting it. I kinda question it too because if you see a starport you should at least build some more AA, esp if you see a tech lab.
Because voids/phoenix are awesome vs marine balls.

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Sentries to target PDD.
Stalkers and sentries will attack the PDD and you cannot win when you cannot attack the air. Banshees are beast, just like about every other unit terran has.

Btw, I can't stand Day9, he thinks wayyy too highly of himself it's actually kind of sad. His video is also pathetic because he is playing against the AI on very easy. None of those builds take into account proxy.
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Is there any way to bind map scroll to a side button instead of the middle button?
Because the middle button on my deathadder is rediculously hard to press for some reason.
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Because voids/phoenix are awesome vs marine balls.



Stalkers and sentries will attack the PDD and you cannot win when you cannot attack the air. Banshees are beast, just like about every other unit terran has.

Btw, I can't stand Day9, he thinks wayyy too highly of himself it's actually kind of sad. His video is also pathetic because he is playing against the AI on very easy. None of those builds take into account proxy.
/facepalm

Day9 is pretty much Jesus. He's playing against AI because he's showing you how to refine builds, genius. Day9 is the only reason I'm in diamond. Also, most of what you're spouting is in-congruent, uninformed bull****.
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Btw, I can't stand Day9, he thinks wayyy too highly of himself it's actually kind of sad. His video is also pathetic because he is playing against the AI on very easy. None of those builds take into account proxy.
Last video I saw he lost 9 matches in a row so obviously he doesn't win every single game.
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/facepalm

Day9 is pretty much Jesus. He's playing against AI because he's showing you how to refine builds, genius. Day9 is the only reason I'm in diamond. Also, most of what you're spouting is in-congruent, uninformed bull****.
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Because voids/phoenix are awesome vs marine balls.



Stalkers and sentries will attack the PDD and you cannot win when you cannot attack the air. Banshees are beast, just like about every other unit terran has.

Btw, I can't stand Day9, he thinks wayyy too highly of himself it's actually kind of sad. His video is also pathetic because he is playing against the AI on very easy. None of those builds take into account proxy.

When did I mention anything about void rays or phoenix?

Sentries can attack the PDD with out it shooting any shots down, that's what I'm saying he should have done.

I'm also saying, if you see a Starport with a tech lab you don't just keep pumping Zealots. He had PLENTY of time to react properly.

And you're the only one in the world who doesn't like day9. I don't even remotely think he thinks to highly of himself, in fact everything I see is just him being a nice down to earth guy.
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I'm 110% against 1 base Protoss period. Watch day9's video on Protoss warpgate macro vs one base w/ robo. It's incredibly powerful, and with 4 warp gates ( +4 more with expan safe ), it's pretty easy to hold off T until you can warp in enough to be mega ahead.

As for banshees, yeah they can be problem, I think you could get away with either a cannon or two covering a well planned out base and nat, or a robobay just for observers. It sucks that if you go heavy gate you don't really have an observer, but at the same time it really makes you plan out your build rather than just throwing out a ton of gates for no reason with little disadvantage.

I watched the games, and I think he just needed some more AA and he would have been fine. I couldn't tell, but he should have FF all the MM away, and just targeted the PDD w/ the Sentries. It seems like he was more caught off guard than anything. If it was a build that was too powerful he wouldn't have changed up his style for the next game.
Learned that the hard way. It seems expanding to another base is pretty tricky but should be done very early on in the game especially if you are protoss, since, the cost of tier 3 units is just massive. I decided to give protoss a try and was matched against a terran opponent. I had something like 8-12 void rays along with some colossus and some other units defending my exp near my base. I found my opponent expanding right near my base so I decided to attack it to prevent him for getting more gas, etc.... Well, he had something like 5 bc's ready as well as some vikings. My rays made short work of these along with some of his ground units, but, I still lost like 4 or so with some injuries to the rest, however, when they charged up, the rest of the bc were falling like flies. I decided that it might be the best time to attack having destroyed likely most of his air units and proceeded with the remaining void rays, 2 colossus, couple of stalkers and zealots and a sentry. I mostly had to fight against some bunkers filled with marines, some more vikings, lots of marauders, etc.... Suffice to say, I took a gamble and lost all my defense units. Made some more but he had some tanks and some vikings as well, so, he took out my cannons and the rest of my units and base. Not bad for a start, but, not the greatest, however, I do like the chrono boost especially if used when expanding to a new base. You could get units up and getting gas in no time. I think I would have done better if I had some hts made and did a couple of storms on the group of marauders that were stuck together. Curious, when do you guys think is the best time to expand? I'm thinking that expanding very early is a good idea to collect some gas for tier 2and 3 units later on provided you have some d at your main incase of an attack
    
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