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Sorry to interrupt your discussion, but have a question.
Do you guys find that different leagues/ skill levels use different strategies?

I guess the reason I'm asking is because I read about all these different strategies, but in the Bronze league I play in, 90% of the matches are a early rush or some kind of cheese opening.
Terran= 2 barracks, tons of Marines then Marauders
Protoss= Zealot rush ASAP or build a pylon in enemy base and build cannons all over their supply line. If not, Phoenix rush or Void Rays.
Zerg= 9 Pool or something really quick, send a ton of 'lings to mess with the supply line

Honestly every game I've played today is one of these openings.
Its frustrating to lose to them, but now that I see every player is using these tactics, its getting easier for me to counter.
Is this what I can expect if I get to Silver league or is this how most people are playing ATM?
Also, can any Zerg players give me some tactics to stop these early rushes?
The only thing I know to do is scout these quick openings and hope I can get some Zerglings to match their forces or build some Spine Crawlers, or hope I can tech to Hydralisks agains a Phoenix rush, which I usually fail to do in time.
Hear are my counters (also, zealot rush is ALWAYS hard to counter as lings are worthless against them)
ZvT = depends on when you scouted the rush. If you already have quite a bit of gas and lings, build a banling nest, go about 60/40 speed/bane, lead with your speeds and flank with your banelings.

Or, go immediately switch to a roach build and research burrow asap.

He'll probably commit to MM balls so you'll need to probably go speedlings, roaches/hydra, muta to finish him off.
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If he reaper rushes, just throw down like two spine crawlers and immediately rush with lings.

PvZ

My least favorite matchup.

They'll usually rush with 3-5 zealots and your 8-12 lings will be worthless. You'll need to place at least two spine crawlers next to your base (so they can defend in front and your drone line) and hope for the best. They'll often boost out more zealots during this attack. You're best bet is to research the speed upgrade to lings and try to get into his probe line.

ZvZ
Match him with with lings and throw down a spine crawler or two.
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Progressed into silver league the other day then lost 5 of about 7 matches yesterday . I used to play Terran but made the switch to Zerg a couple of matches before i was put into silver. Guess I need to keep working on my Zerg

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Here are two matches I played as Zerg. The first Terran guy rushed me with marines and it failed (barely..)
Then i kept harrassing him, kept him from expanding too much. I realize my macro could have been better (taking the gold etc..) but Im still not used to the unit counters in Starcraft 2 (its doesnt come as reflex yet, I still have to think about it, especially with zerg).

THis is the game that taugh me the value of Brood Lords. If you can get there, EVEN TWO Brood Lords are devastating. The second replay is versus a protoss. I made some Brood Lords and again, they did not dissapoint!

Feel free to shoot me some tips. Right now I am ranked 8th in platinium league (66 wins /61 losses)
Kinda weird record, but most people are around that ratio
Edited by Nevaziah - 9/16/10 at 7:07am
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Here are two matches I played as Zerg. The first Terran guy rushed me with marines and it failed (barely..)
Then i kept harrassing him, kept him from expanding too much. I realize my macro could have been better (taking the gold etc..) but Im still not used to the unit counters in Starcraft 2 (its doesnt come as reflex yet, I still have to think about it, especially with zerg).

THis is the game that taugh me the value of Brood Lords. If you can get there, EVEN TWO Brood Lords are devastating. The second replay is versus a protoss. I made some Brood Lords and again, they did not dissapoint!

Feel free to shoot me some tips. Right now I am ranked 8th in platinium league (66 wins /61 losses)
Kinda weird record, but most people are around that ratio
Thanks for links, should be interesting to watch. yes, brood lords can make a big difference if you are able to make enough AND defend them. They are pretty much like guardians with broodlings instead
    
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The best part is when you have six or seven broodlings already on the ground (with 3 or 4 lords) and the ground units (marines, stlakers) try to focus fire your Lords that just fly over a cliff, behind a wall or up a ramp. The Broodlings deal MASSIVE amounts of damage in a significant group that if you add zerglings or roaches, its VERY VERY HARD for ground units to deal with them since they also DO block the paths of ground units
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The best part is when you have six or seven broodlings already on the ground (with 3 or 4 lords) and the ground units (marines, stlakers) try to focus fire your Lords that just fly over a cliff, behind a wall or up a ramp. The Broodlings deal MASSIVE amounts of damage in a significant group that if you add zerglings or roaches, its VERY VERY HARD for ground units to deal with them since they also DO block the paths of ground units
yes, you are indeed correct. The broodling lords are great since the opponent usually fires on broodlings instead of focusing on the source and by the time, they realize that, your broodlings and likely zerglings/roaches would have moped up the rest
    
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Hey man, I had a look at your replays, cheers for uploading them . I see what you mean about broodlords although most of my games don't last that long to get up to that tech, most end around the time i get mutalisks.

I think i need to work on smoothing out my gameplay, I have no real plan after i get my spawning pool and extractor. Its only a rough guidline of expand, tech to lair, try see what hes doing and probably get roaches. Thinks like remembering to get cloak detection and anti-air in time let me down a bit. I think my macro is not too bad, or at least i can expand and get a good number of drones.

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Hehe I feel the same way Matt. Sometimes with zerg, I get caught up trying to mass units and forget that drones come from larvae too and most times I dont saturate my main or expos!

I usually have generic builds when i play as zerg.
Against terran, i go lings and roaches and harass them (while upgrading to lair and getting hydraz in case they get Banshees or just to control the map)
As soon as you can, make an overseer. they will help soo much to keep track make the terran player nervous.

Against protoss its mass lings and roaches and keep harassing at the front and sneaking in zerglings to see what they get. If i see a robo facility, I just make a spire, no questions asked. Sometimes I just go spire If i see them expand early or if they arent massing stalkers.

Zerg strategies most of the time depend on the terrain (map) so on each map, you can generate builds that will take advantage of it. ON Blistering sands, going around and breaking the rocks is a great strategy or dropping a worm between the rocks and the mineral line outside the field of vision.
On Lost temple, you can go quick air if your opponent is right next to you and rush them early.(vs zerg or toss)
So If you want to learn zerg, learn your maps and the spots to best attack to surround your enemy or to just ambush them when they move(terrans very vulnerable to this cause of tanks).

and ALWAYS, I CANT STRESS THIS ENOUGH PEOPLE, ALWAYS drop creep tumors. Drop FOUR in your base then send to in each direction. you see EVERYTHING coming before it hits you. Its not great for exploring enemy builds, but you get to see everything coming at you ahead of time and that + the zerg units mobility on creep, NOTHING can take you by surprise.

At some point i had 5 strains of tumors going around in directions in the zerg vs terran replay
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When did I mention anything about void rays or phoenix?

Sentries can attack the PDD with out it shooting any shots down, that's what I'm saying he should have done.

I'm also saying, if you see a Starport with a tech lab you don't just keep pumping Zealots. He had PLENTY of time to react properly.

And you're the only one in the world who doesn't like day9. I don't even remotely think he thinks to highly of himself, in fact everything I see is just him being a nice down to earth guy.
Are you forgetting common logic? Your stalkers can't even fire until the PDD is gone, and by that time it's too late to do anything. It wasn't like his army was all air, he had rines/rauders with stim as well.

Day9's videos are for noobs honestly. He always pans the camera to himself during a replay, and then rewinds?!?! If you like a guy who can turn a 15 minute replay into a 40 minute one then I guess he is the guy to watch. It's not like he even says anything useful, he just keeps repeating the basics which are blatantly obvious to anyone that is platinum or higher lol.

I think it's apparent that not too many people like him as Husky/HD have 4-5 times more subscribers on youtube.

The mazijazzeee high def dubs were removed from youtube . I found these so far, but they are in the SD, not HD.

http://www.youtube.com/user/followvn...0B2770F1B0EA8D
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Are you forgetting common logic? Your stalkers can't even fire until the PDD is gone, and by that time it's too late to do anything. It wasn't like his army was all air, he had rines/rauders with stim as well.

Day9's videos are for noobs honestly. He always pans the camera to himself during a replay, and then rewinds?!?! If you like a guy who can turn a 15 minute replay into a 40 minute one then I guess he is the guy to watch. It's not like he even says anything useful, he just keeps repeating the basics which are blatantly obvious to anyone that is platinum or higher lol.

I think it's apparent that not too many people like him as Husky/HD have 4-5 times more subscribers on youtube.

The mazijazzeee high def dubs were removed from youtube . I found these so far, but they are in the SD, not HD.

http://www.youtube.com/user/followvn...0B2770F1B0EA8D
Do HD or Husky have a nightly live stream with over 5,000 viewers?

edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=150332
'nuff said. The man knows stuff.
Edited by thiru - 9/16/10 at 1:24pm
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