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MVP is in a tier of his own. I just watched his games vs Nestea I don't see anyone being better than him over all for a long time.
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I dont know 9 months is a hella long time, I think just a better use of the 1 month system and a league rather than a straight up tourney, you should not be able to get ot the finals off the strenth of a single matchup.

I would like something more like a football season have everyone play vs everyone in a bo3/5 or whatever each game won is 1 point each loss -1 point winner has the most points, if there is joint lead then those players play off against each other in a mini tourney.

thus better rounded players should have a chance to shine and players who get lucky or use excessive cheese etc should not end up winning. using a series of bo1 games for the first round of code s entirely ruins the competition you see players like Mc in up and downs while others who clearly dont belong in code s stick around off the strength of 2 cheeses just enough to stay in not enough to progress just "bad" players using "lame" tactics

that way there is a relegation and promotion zones top 8 from code a replace bottom 8 from code s and rinse/repeat.

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MVP is in a tier of his own. I just watched his games vs Nestea I don't see anyone being better than him over all for a long time.
the first one was sick but i honestly felt nestea at varios points made some uncharacteristically poor choices (largely with not being decisive in his engagements) while mvp made few if any mistakes.

the second was a cheese a beutifull cheese but I dont see that working again simple case of wow i never knew that worked now its known you can bet zergs have worked out how to react or will just veto the map

would have loved to see that as a full bo7 or at least bo5 think I could have learnt allot from watching more games.
Edited by Dr216 - 8/29/11 at 5:22pm
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I don't even put MVP at a tier of his own. This is MVP's first time out of groups since the World Tourney. He was in Code A: May, lost in Super and July. And is only back to Ro8 here in GSL August. So to me, he's just trying to recapture his former 2championship Glory.

For particular matchups in Terran I'd go:
TvT: Ryung
TvP: Polt
TvZ: MMA (beat DRG twice and Nestea in Augusts' groups and Losira in a bo7)

But then each of those players have pitfalls in other matchups. What good is it to have a 80+% winrate against 1 race, but like a 40% against another?

That's why Bomber and PuMa (and recently MVP but not on his own teir) to me are on a tier above those players, because instead of like a 40/60/80 win percent between the matchups, those 3 have like a 65/65/65
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I don't even put MVP at a tier of his own. This is MVP's first time out of groups since the World Tourney. He was in Code A: May, lost in Super and July. And is only back to Ro8 here in GSL August. So to me, he's just trying to recapture his former 2championship Glory.

For particular matchups in Terran I'd go:
TvT: Ryung
TvP: Polt
TvZ: MMA (beat DRG twice and Nestea in Augusts' groups and Losira in a bo7)

But then each of those players have pitfalls in other matchups. What good is it to have a 80+% winrate against 1 race, but like a 40% against another?

That's why Bomber and PuMa (and recently MVP but not on his own teir) to me are on a tier above those players, because instead of like a 40/60/80 win percent between the matchups, those 3 have like a 65/65/65
Best TvTer isn't Ryung -_- not even close. MVP is probably better than MMA and he has 70 win rate for all of his MU. Puma has that winrate against mediocre foreigners and korean toss, while Bomber has 72 winrate for all of his gsl record. Seriously, calling puma with bomber is just an insult

Also, Polt has over 90% win rate in TvP, above Keen, Nestea and Losira's beastly vP record.

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Click on his vT link and tell me again that he is bad at TvT ok its only 14 games but 70+% win rate with Polt, MKP, clide and SC all loosing games to him.

as for those players being unknown like most of them are code s im pretty certain anyone who follows sc2 with any degree of interest should know how good they are.
That's in GSTL and bo1. There's a reason why he continued failing in code b and struggled against players like Nada and Coca. Nada's TvT's bad, except his early game and Coca's gsl zvt record is 30% Also, beating MC isn't an impressive task for a korean terran.

EDIT: Nada's TvT is not bad, but it's got less impressive from around May/June
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Bomber has 72 winrate for all of his gsl record. Seriously, calling puma with bomber is just an insult
From hearing everyone go nuts over Bomber, I thought his TvsZ would be crazy awesome or something but I was kinda disappointing. If it wasn't for Coca making some critical mistakes in those 2 games, it would've 3-2 in Coca's favour and we might have even seen him win MLG but obviously that wasn't the case.

TL;DR I dunno if Bomber's MLG performance against Coca in the finals is indicative of his skills but I wasn't impressed at all. MVP has a much better TvsZ imo.
    
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Ryung has the best TvT, sorry brah.
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That's in GSTL and bo1. There's a reason why he continued failing in code b and struggled against players like Nada and Coca. Nada's TvT's bad, except his early game and Coca's gsl zvt record is 30% Also, beating MC isn't an impressive task for a korean terran.

EDIT: Nada's TvT is not bad, but it's got less impressive from around May/June
The reason he struggles to get into code A is the same reason Freaking Sage isn't in code A the same reason that its taken months for DRG to break into code A.

The bloody code A qualifiers can easily be harder than the rout to a code S finals.

Beating MC is always impressive regardless of who you are, he has a 60+% winrate vT almost all from code S, Nada may not have the best TvT in korea but he is one of the best sc2 players in the world and he still has a better than 50% winrate in vT.

honestly dont care for puma at all just find it it incredible that you can look at him and his performance and go well meh he's not that good. and then justify it by listing a whole bunch of the best players in the world and saying well he is only about as good as these guys.
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From hearing everyone go nuts over Bomber, I thought his TvsZ would be crazy awesome or something but I was kinda disappointing. If it wasn't for Coca making some critical mistakes in those 2 games, it would've 3-2 in Coca's favour and we might have even seen him win MLG but obviously that wasn't the case.

TL;DR I dunno if Bomber's MLG performance against Coca in the finals is indicative of his skills but I wasn't impressed at all. MVP has a much better TvsZ imo.
MVP's tvz is definitely better than Bomber. But bomber still has 75% win rate in gsl against zergs, which is no joke. Coca's zvt is pretty trash in gsl standards.5-10 record against not too good tvzers.

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Ryung has the best TvT, sorry brah.
LOL -_- I guess i'll rate his tvt over MMA's, but better tvter than bomber/mvp? sorry brah.

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The reason he struggles to get into code A is the same reason Freaking Sage isn't in code A the same reason that its taken months for DRG to break into code A.

The bloody code A qualifiers can easily be harder than the rout to a code S finals.

Beating MC is always impressive regardless of who you are, he has a 60+% winrate vT almost all from code S, Nada may not have the best TvT in korea but he is one of the best sc2 players in the world and he still has a better than 50% winrate in vT.

honestly dont care for puma at all just find it it incredible that you can look at him and his performance and go well meh he's not that good. and then justify it by listing a whole bunch of the best players in the world and saying well he is only about as good as these guys.
I don't think u understand my complaints about Puma. I said he's decent, but I believe he's OVERRATED. You'll see many TL posts and artosis's claims about him being top3/top 5 terran when he's probably more like top15/20 standards.(just arbitrary comparison, no way to determine the real ranking anyway) Losing to coca's mediocre zvt and nada's "not the best tvt in korea" isn't top tier terran's record. And also, i never said that he's just as good as "the best players" in the world. The players i listed are no where the "best." I don't even remotely believe he's "as good as" the top class terrans.
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ii stand by my mvp comment. He hasn't. Always been on his a game but when he is I can't find any mistakes.
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We should get a macromirco game going

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