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I dunno. I won't scream infestors are OP but as soon as my opponent gets them I end up losing the game If I attack before infestors or snipe their pit, then I still have a chance at winning the game. Nothing as horrifying as seeing a ton of marines just dying to several infestors, really cost efficient imo and I believe overall, the infestors is quite possibly the best spellcaster in the game.
IT: crazy good dps and it's all energy so it's a good deal either way. Had opponents use their infestors to create like 40+ IT's then take down my PF before I had enough time to react -_-

FG: Great as well, if you don't have detection(dts, banshees, etc....), you can detect the units and root them for your units to attack. That and you can just root any and all units barring ultras. No micro is possible when units are FG'd. It might not be as damaging as storm is but at least you can dodge storm and receive less damage but in this case, it's the same damage regardless.

NP: Your opponent went mech or mass tier 2-3 units, etc.... easy solution, just NP them and have them target each other while the rest of the Zerg army tear the remainder of the army in half. I originally thought that NP was a bad spell due to the time limit but I think the time limit is the only thing holding NP back from becoming OP
I don't think u understand how to play zvt. Infestors' biggest strength is its ability to hinger terrans' push with FGs. Ur not supposed to play same like u play against mutabling: 2 base rinetank spam and push. When u scout quick infestor pit, get third, and actually macro while u take map control with helions and do drops. Get more tanks to counter infestors and don't a-move ur rines. When the zerg goes hive, build extra starport ALWAYS and scout if he's going ultras or bls. Get Maraduers for ultras and 2 port reactor vikes against bls. After u hold the zerg's push, mass ghosts, build PFs and continue drops and etc.

As for mech play, if the zerg is dumping all of its gas on infestors, u don't need to mix more than couple of thors. Get raven for detection against burrowed roach+infestor and mass helion tank.

Infestorling these days is kinda equivalent to old colosi unit composition. At the start, terrans just a-moved their army and complained colosi QQ. These days terrans learned to spread their army and colosi ball became inadequate so the metagame switched to templar tech.
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That or get some pimp ghost control, seriously good ghost control counters pretty much everything zerg can do late game, snipe is awesome vs broods and infestors and not that bad vs ultras.
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That or get some pimp ghost control, seriously good ghost control counters pretty much everything zerg can do late game, snipe is awesome vs broods and infestors and not that bad vs ultras.
Ghost owns festor and BL. I'm baffled that most terrans haven't figured that out yet and more than a little annoyed that infestors are getting nerfed because whiny T and P players are too dumb to employ the festor counters to full effect. Watch Destiny's stream. Whenever he faces somebody who takes full advantage of what ghosts can do he usually gets rolled. Good high templar play kills him too. Festor doesn't need a nerf. T and P just need to use the counters better.
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Everyone at pro level, terrans, protosses, and even some zergs think the infestor was op. Look at that video I linked even. I use ghosts all the time ask fishbulb but they are still way too good with BLs. It wa as needed as the bfh nerd. Rax nerf unsure if that was needed.
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lol, so, then all it was, was you complaining?
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meh, i'm running out of achievements to get, most I have left require like 100+ games... :/

apart from ones like the starjeweled one (that's like 1000+ games considering my skills at bejeweled...).
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Everyone at pro level, terrans, protosses, and even some zergs think the infestor was op. Look at that video I linked even. I use ghosts all the time ask fishbulb but they are still way too good with BLs. It wa as needed as the bfh nerd. Rax nerf unsure if that was needed.
Infestors are only OP in zvp, and the nerf itself shows that. In zvt, FGs only hard hit marines and the 0.5/s damage nerf isn't going to make marines any more durable against FGs. If they wanted to nerf infestors in zvt, they would nerf the AOE or the range of the cast. The damage nerf helps tremendously in zvz: roach and muta, and zvp: stalker and deathball, but not in zvt.

About the pro comment, ur completely wrong. Most of the "actually good" zergs opt Mutabling and only make handful of infestors to support BLs and some don't even make infestors at all. Instead, they save the gas for more and quicker Ultras. Especially with the smaller maps getting pushed out of tourneys, spamming infestors aren't the way to go in zvt.
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Infestors are only OP in zvp, and the nerf itself shows that. In zvt, FGs only hard hit marines and the 0.5/s damage nerf isn't going to make marines any more durable against FGs. If they wanted to nerf infestors in zvt, they would nerf the AOE or the range of the cast. The damage nerf helps tremendously in zvz: roach and muta, and zvp: stalker and deathball, but not in zvt.

About the pro comment, ur completely wrong. Most of the "actually good" zergs opt Mutabling and only make handful of infestors to support BLs and some don't even make infestors at all. Instead, they save the gas for more and quicker Ultras. Especially with the smaller maps getting pushed out of tourneys, spamming infestors aren't the way to go in zvt.
No but late game they are still an issue. I agree Infestor openings are meh.

Also, to me it's by far a nerf that benefits Terran more than Protoss. With medivacs that 6 damage less is HUGE if you think about how much less time medivacs will need to heal the marines, and how much more energy they will have now. Not only that but it's slightly less vs armored which makes killing the dropships even harder. It's a welcomed change. Still the Infestor was blatantly too well rounded in all match ups... even IT and NP are ridiculously good. I lost plenty of games to people who would literally normally only beat me maybe 1 in 5 repeatedly because of how strong BL Infestor is, and I had prepared very well.
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Infestors are only OP in zvp, and the nerf itself shows that.

work out the numbers and its makes 0 difference in zvp still takes the same number of fg to kill pretty much all P units. Only realy effects zvt and the marine medivac ball.

As for loosing to BL infester in late game, I still say ghosts they are so cheap and they completely counter it If you go vikings you will probably be in trouble. or if you suck at ghost micro then sure but that isnt a balance issue its a skill issue.
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